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    Default MBTI functions and classical elements?

    I was thinking recently that classical elements and MBTI functions seem to tie in rather well. Not perfectly, but there seems to be common pattern between them. I stumbled upon this when I was researching elements in tarot.

    The descriptions are based upon the ancient Greek philosophy of classical elements, and the quotes are from astrological elements (which are based around the former, and attempt to correlate it with personality).

    Sensing (S); Perception.

    Fire is considered an active element; it is weakened by water (passive), strengthened by earth (passive). Represented by an upward triangle in alchemy, and by wands (passion) in tarot.

    Fire personalities are believed to have good leading qualities and also tend to be enthusiastic, extroverted, rebellious, passionate, brave and valiant; however, they can also be hot-tempered, snappy, uncontrollable and angry.
    Intuition (N); Perception.

    Air is considered an active element; it is weakened by earth (passive), and strengthened by water (passive). Represented by an upward triangle bisected by a horizontal line in alchemy, swords (intellect) in tarot.

    Air personalities tend to be kind, intellectual, communicative and social; however, they can also be selfish, superficial, vicious and very insensitive to other people's emotions.
    Feeling (F); Judgement.

    Water is considered a passive element; it is weakened by fire (active), and strengthened by air (active). Represented by a downward triangle in alchemy, cups (emotion) in tarot.

    Water personalities tend to be emotional, deep, nurturing, sympathetic, empathetic, imaginative and intuitive; however, they can also be cold, moody, jealous, sentimental, sensitive, escapistic and irrational.
    Thinking (T); Judgement.

    Earth is considered a passive element; it is weakened by air (active), and strengthened by fire (active). Represented by a downward triangle bisected by a horizontal line in alchemy, disks (practical matters) in tarot.

    Earth personalities tend to be calm, practical, hard-working, brave, smart, wise, stable and patient; however, they can also be stubborn, possessive, nearsighted and very harsh.
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    SF = fire + water
    ST = fire + earth
    NF = air + water
    NT = air + earth

    The combinations in bold are opposites. Because they are opposites, the overlaps between the elements seem to be emphasized. Both air and earth have a strong connection with logic, while fire and water have a strong connection with feeling.

    The combinations in italics are complementary. Because they are complementary, the gaps between the elements seem to emphasized. There is disparity between the intellectual qualities of air and the emotional aspects of water; the creative aspects of fire and the down-to-earth qualities of earth.

    Air + water (NF)/fire + earth (ST) supposedly strengthen each other, and air + earth (NT)/fire + water (SF) supposedly weaken each other. However, I don't interpret this to mean any combination is inherently weak or strong. It just means they reach balances in different ways, and interact differently.

    Problems arise when you get ambiguous terms like intuition that are prescribed to fire, air, and water. Which one lays claim to intuition? I think when you break it down the differences become more clear. Intuition for each of these elements could be described as fire as creative potential, air as grasping theories, and water as intuiting emotions.

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    Hey, I'm a water + earth. Apparently I don't exist.
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    Good work. I've been studying astrology for 6yrs and your correlations are spot on.
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    I know I am fire air

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    The elements were tied to the temperaments, as follows (with the corresponding type codes):
    Earth (cold/dry) Melancholic (IST, INJ, SJ)
    Air (hot/wet) Sanguine (ESF, ENP, SP)
    Fire (hot/dry) Choleric (EST/ENJ, NT*)
    Water (cold/wet) Phlegmatic (ISF, INP, NF*)
    *(Keirsey has these reversed).

    The factors were basically, hot: E, cold: I, wet: informing (people-focus), dry: directive (task-focus).

    Perhaps this other system is where Keirsey/Berens get their mapping of the elements to Keirsey's temperaments from (though I would have to look at that again).
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    I'm air and water...that makes sense!

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    The elements were tied to the temperaments, as follows (with the corresponding type codes):
    Earth (cold/dry) Melancholic (IST, INJ, SJ)
    Air (hot/wet) Sanguine (ESF, ENP, SP)
    Fire (hot/dry) Choleric (EST/ENJ, NT*)
    Water (cold/wet) Phlegmatic (ISF, INP, NF*)
    *(Keirsey has these reversed).
    I like being phelgmatic! 8o Makes sense

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    I'm definitely a fire being. According to this, I'm air-water, but I'm very much fire as well. More so, I think.

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    I'm not sure what people are judging their "elements" by.

    But for one thing, for example, I could see why Sanguine would be interpreted as "fire", and IIRC, Keirsey/Berens make the SP fire. Traditionally, the Choleric was fire.
    What Sanguine and Choleric have in common is the "hot" part of it, which is the expressiveness. Both have quick, "hot" tempers. So I could see why both would identify with fire. The difference is that the Sanguine usually gets over the anger quicker, while the Choleric holds onto it, or at least appears to by maintaining a critical, directive attitude. Fire has that more "critical" connotation, because it burns, and tends to spread and not go out unless effort is made to put it out. Air has a "lighter" and less critical connotation. (It can be "hot", but the temperatures don't seem to really match as you would expect them to be. Water can be hot as well, and really, so can earth).
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