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Signs of Ni

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The manifestation of Ni within an Ni-dom doesn't bear the greatest difficulty in efforts to find. You will undoubtedly come across an individual who often holds a concentrated, yet inattentive look. It makes them seem hazy at times like their mind is being tripped over and over... so in outward projection, it may look like a person who is concentrating on invisible surroundings that you yourself may have difficulty trying to apprehend simply because you are not experiencing within mind what they are. In communication, they may return what you say in different nodes of perception to give an alternate understanding of your deduction so as to play the trade of thoughts upon what is being reasoned. Opinions may often be given during communication of the thought, before the thought or in conclusive form of the thought depending on whether the Ni user has thought about the topic beforehand, or is processing it during conversation.
 

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The manifestation of Ni within an Ni-dom doesn't bear the greatest difficulty in efforts to find. You will undoubtedly come across an individual who often holds a concentrated, yet inattentive look. It makes them seem hazy at times like their mind is being tripped over and over... so in outward projection, it may look like a person who is concentrating on invisible surroundings that you yourself may have difficulty trying to apprehend simply because you are not experiencing within mind what they are. In communication, they may return what you say in different nodes of perception to give an alternate understanding of your deduction so as to play the trade of thoughts upon what is being reasoned. Opinions may often be given during communication of the thought, before the thought or in conclusive form of the thought depending on whether the Ni user has thought about the topic beforehand, or is processing it during conversation.

Yes to all, but especially the bolded.
 

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I love the way Richard Rorty (INTJ) writes in his own language, using famous philosophers, writers, artists as metaphors or simple means to evoke certain concepts, not even attempting to make it all clear in order to preserve the beauty of an idea. Another and odd case is Wittgenstein (presumably INFJ), in whose writings one can see the beauty of Ni ideas dismantled by ugly Ti rummaging. I believe it is the ugly part that has made Wittgenstein palatable to most philosophers - the Ti crowd.

Bolded is Ni :rofl1:

The beauty of detail is Si :D
 

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Wow, this has really developed well. Thanks specifically to [MENTION=8413]Zarathustra[/MENTION] and [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION] for the great explanations!

The static verses dynamic distinction is very interesting, though I'll have to think about it more to really appreciate how it works in practice. I just don't think a lot of Ne ideas can be packaged like the gravity example. It is commonsense to know that one principal can be present in different situations, yet that principle is still subject to adaptation within each example. I'll use a personal example, I play many games competitively and my theory is that forcing your opponent to react to you by creating your own low risk, high reward situations is the key to any good strategy. Is this static or dynamic? Well I at least think it's dynamic as different games have different components and so this same principle should be adapted in different ways. Am I using Ni though? That's doubtful, I would think that I'm just using a more developed form of Ne. I dunno, what you think, is this Ni? Are there more examples you can give? Maybe I'm just the bestest thing ever with 2 well developed iNtuitive functions :yesss:. Though the thought of having well developed Se+Ni (which seems to be needed for this sort of world view) seems highly unlikely.

PS. Just for the record, I think I had a good understanding of Ni before I made this thread. The problem was simply that it's very hard to actively see precisely what someone's thinking process is, which seemed to be the only way to find Ni. Maybe I should just give up on the short and quick methods.
 

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Wow, this has really developed well. Thanks specifically to [MENTION=8413]Zarathustra[/MENTION] and [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION] for the great explanations!

The static verses dynamic distinction is very interesting, though I'll have to think about it more to really appreciate how it works in practice. I just don't think a lot of Ne ideas can be packaged like the gravity example. It is commonsense to know that one principal can be present in different situations, yet that principle is still subject to adaptation within each example. I'll use a personal example, I play many games competitively and my theory is that forcing your opponent to react to you by creating your own low risk, high reward situations is the key to any good strategy. Is this static or dynamic? Well I at least think it's dynamic as different games have different components and so this same principle should be adapted in different ways. Am I using Ni though? That's doubtful, I would think that I'm just using a more developed form of Ne. I dunno, what you think, is this Ni? Are there more examples you can give? Maybe I'm just the bestest thing ever with 2 well developed iNtuitive functions :yesss:. Though the thought of having well developed Se+Ni (which seems to be needed for this sort of world view) seems highly unlikely.

PS. Just for the record, I think I had a good understanding of Ni before I made this thread. The problem was simply that it's very hard to actively see precisely what someone's thinking process is, which seemed to be the only way to find Ni. Maybe I should just give up on the short and quick methods.

With respect to your example of gaming strategy, there is a great deal of difference between arriving at the same conclusions and thinking the same way. The gravity example is neatly "packaged" precisely because the conclusions had to be based on how each thinker was thinking. It isn't as if Einstein didn't understand Newton's theory, or that INTJs are incapable of understanding Einstein's theory.

Also note how you phrase it: you have a particular strategy that you employ in all problems of a particular class. Your concept "overlays" the reality. The Ni approach would probably not even classify that as a strategy, and think of it instead as a more general approach of maintaining initiative, where any specific action is determined in the moment. Ni would also be constantly evaluating the approach on a case-by-case basis, and alter tactics should the initial tactics appear to be ineffective.

NTJ types are often regarded as superior strategists, but they get the reputation not because they figure out a great strategy and stick with it (overlay/apply the strategy to all problems of a particular class), but because they're observing and re-evaluating based on the Se-style information in front of them: they keep their eye on a particular goal and the tools available to achieve that goal, and every once in a while, like an "Ah ha!" solution to a puzzle, a shortcut solution appears and they apply it on the spot. To everyone else, it looks like they planned it, but no, they were simply prepared for the possibilities.

That's the dynamic vs static I'm talking about.

Here's another example that should highlight Ni-style thinking for you, using gravity again. (I use it because it's highly abstract, but most everyone at least has a basic idea of what it is. There aren't many topics like that in the world!)

I've always regarded the "laws" of physics more as "descriptions". The quality of the descriptions varies, but the descriptions can be improved. I regard all of the following as valid versions of a "law of gravity":

  1. Things fall towards the ground.
  2. What goes up must go down.
  3. All bodies exert a force on each other directly proportional to their mass and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
  4. Mass-energy curves spacetime.
  5. Some future theory about quantum gravity that actually works.

In my Ni worldview, these are all "true". There isn't a single false statement. An INTP would disagree (using Ti Ne instead of Ni Te), and find flaws in perhaps every statement. The first two ignore the concept of escape velocity (it is possible to throw something up and have it never fall down again, though it takes advanced technology to do so), the third neglects the fact that gravity bends light, which is massless, the fourth ignores quantum mechanics, and the fifth is simply unknowable.

But really, for all practical purposes, I do not need string theory or loop quantum gravity to determine that a cup of water is too close to the edge of the table and there is a hyperactive 4-yr-old bouncing around in close proximity and conclude that the cup and water will likely fall onto the floor, spilling its contents. I just need to know that things fall down. Description (1) is "good enough."

A lot of the Ni dynamism is all about evaluating a situation to figure out which model (Ni) applies to the situation at hand (Se). This can be very annoying to others when we enter into arguments, because we're generally not trying to argue for some absolute truth in a precise manner, but we're really just trying to figure out which argument the other person or people will best be able to understand. This makes it often feel to others as if we're changing the rules and the logic on the fly, in an effort to "win" the argument on an unfair basis. I'm not saying this never happens, but the criticism comes even when I know I'm just trying to make ideas clear and not trying to win anything.

The switching around of rules is how we end up using puns all the time: any particular Se-style "data point" can indicate all sorts of rules. In the case of puns, it's the multiple meanings of words, and words that sound alike but otherwise mean entirely different things. When we're punning, it isn't like we plan the pun, but rather a word or set of words occurs in our thoughts as a reaction to what we encounter in our immediate environment. We realize, in the moment, that those words not only apply to the current situation, but to one or more other unrelated situations. Usually, we just chuckle to ourselves and make sure we use words that can only be interpreted in one way, but sometimes these word-coincidences are just too funny not to share.

My current avatar is another example of rules switching. It comes from a "Bad Lip Reading" of a Michael Buble video. Imagine if you just had the video, but no sound. Consider the video the Se data. Ni fills in the blanks, in this case deliberately badly. When we do such things, we don't really know what we'll end up with, but it's often rather funny.
 

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The switching around of rules is how we end up using puns all the time: any particular Se-style "data point" can indicate all sorts of rules. In the case of puns, it's the multiple meanings of words, and words that sound alike but otherwise mean entirely different things. When we're punning, it isn't like we plan the pun, but rather a word or set of words occurs in our thoughts as a reaction to what we encounter in our immediate environment. We realize, in the moment, that those words not only apply to the current situation, but to one or more other unrelated situations. Usually, we just chuckle to ourselves and make sure we use words that can only be interpreted in one way, but sometimes these word-coincidences are just too funny not to share.

:yes: Much different then NeSi style of humor.
 

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Ne/Si humor:

Monty Python said:
King Arthur: I am your king.
Woman: Well I didn't vote for you.
King Arthur: You don't vote for kings.
Woman: Well how'd you become king then?
[Angelic music plays... ]
King Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king.
Dennis: [interrupting] Listen, strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Forms of government are in this scenario Si points. Ne is juxtaposing these. Each party has a different idea of what "should be" (Si), and Ne plays them off of each other.
 

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Ne/Si humor:



Forms of government are in this scenario Si points. Ne is juxtaposing these. Each party has a different idea of what "should be" (Si), and Ne plays them off of each other.

I dont see anything funny about this or this being something that me, my ENFP mom or my INFP or ENTP friend would say. Also Si isnt about what should be, its about what is. What shouod be is an vision about the future, not something concrete that is, so this should be thing is more about N + other functions.

Your earlier Ni humor thing sounds more what NPs seem to do quite often, so its not really Ni thing either.
 

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Oy vey...

Seriously...

:doh:

Heh. Valid reactions. But my real :wtf: moment was this:
I dont see anything funny about this

I have never known an xNTP who didn't laugh hysterically at this scene, never mind quote it (and other Monty Python skits) ad nauseum. xNFPs also tend to find the exchange hilarious.

I would agree, however, that most xNxPs wouldn't crack jokes like this. Monty Python is a style of humor fairly unique in the world. I used it due to its ubiquity in geek culture, as a common reference point, not because all Ne/Si types crack jokes like this.

I find the scene funny, but not as much as xNxPs appear to do.
 
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I find the scene funny, but not as much as xNxPs appear to do.

I'm not the biggest fan of Monty Python, but I found that scene funny because of the juxtaposition between the mystical and practical (or 'real'), trying to tell one cohesive story involving two very separate worlds that have completely different aims. Expectations wind up being subverted--magical tales are 'grounded' in reality in a way that we wouldn't quite expect.

I liked Your Highness a bit too much for the same reason.
 

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Wow, this has really developed well. Thanks specifically to [MENTION=8413]Zarathustra[/MENTION] and [MENTION=9310]uumlau[/MENTION] for the great explanations!

The static verses dynamic distinction is very interesting, though I'll have to think about it more to really appreciate how it works in practice. I just don't think a lot of Ne ideas can be packaged like the gravity example. It is commonsense to know that one principal can be present in different situations, yet that principle is still subject to adaptation within each example. I'll use a personal example, I play many games competitively and my theory is that forcing your opponent to react to you by creating your own low risk, high reward situations is the key to any good strategy. Is this static or dynamic? Well I at least think it's dynamic as different games have different components and so this same principle should be adapted in different ways. Am I using Ni though? That's doubtful, I would think that I'm just using a more developed form of Ne. I dunno, what you think, is this Ni? Are there more examples you can give? Maybe I'm just the bestest thing ever with 2 well developed iNtuitive functions :yesss:. Though the thought of having well developed Se+Ni (which seems to be needed for this sort of world view) seems highly unlikely.

PS. Just for the record, I think I had a good understanding of Ni before I made this thread. The problem was simply that it's very hard to actively see precisely what someone's thinking process is, which seemed to be the only way to find Ni. Maybe I should just give up on the short and quick methods.

I think uumlau's description of the various ways of thinking about gravity, but, depending on the situation, using the particular one that best fits the context of that situation, was phenomenal. I myself spend most of my time/mind in a different world (economics/forecasting/business-analysis rather than physics), so when I think about these things, naturally, that's where my mind goes. For me, the difference of NTJ vs NTP thinking (and, by extension, NiSe vs NeSi [although TeFi and TiFe differences come into play when talking about NTJs and NTPs, and I think by the end of this I'll have talked about more types than just these]) is extremely well illuminated when thinking about stock market analysis.

See, I can just tell you right off the bat: never take stock tips from an NTP. Something very, very deeply tells me that you really never should. Now, interestingly, I think it does make more sense to take advice from an STP, but particularly an ESTP (I wouldn't really trust an ISTP, either -- Ti just really is not helpful for good stock predictions), which probably helps to explain why I a lot of stockbrokers (i.e., not analysts, who do the deep research, but the brokers, who basically act as the [investment banks'] analysts salesmen to other [hedge fund, mutual fund, pension fund, insurance fund, etc.] analysts) are ESTPs. I might listen to an ENFP over an NTP (INFP, with Te last, would be a little tougher), but only if they had well-developed Te. STJs are interesting cases, as I think ISTJs make for probably the best analysts after the NTJs. I'm not as sure about ESTJs, but I think they probably suffer from the same fault that causes ENTJs to be inferior to INTJs (too ready to make a decision, based off of too little information), and since the STJs are worse in general than the NTJs, the ESTJs probably won't be all that great (note: it's important to realize that, for the most part, on average, in the long run, most peoples' stock advice will be useless, and will not "beat the market", or, more accurately, will not beat the average rate of return on a portfolio with the same risk profile; as such, being just a bit better than average at predicting stock movements will not really be helpful enough to get one beyond the escape velocity of stock prediction mediocrity; in order to actually beat the market in the long run, one really needs to have a particularly high level of acumen, and, as such, only the most highly skilled analysts will fit the bill [and, as such, if type can be correlated with ability to make accurate predictions on the stock market, which, frankly, I think it can {obviously, no such study exists, but absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence}, then, for example, if one were building out a staff at a hedge fund, one would do best, all other things being equal {i.e., experience, intelligence, etc.}, by making the ultimate buy/sell decision-makers of the type(s) with the best predictive abilities]).

So, why are all these rankings I laid out above anything more than gibberish, not based simply on subjective personal opinion (Fi)? Well, aside from being congruent with my personal experience in this realm (I didn't come into the situation with these beliefs; I'd been making observations throughout my career, and, after I began studying typology, and especially after I garnered a strong-enough understanding of it, I believe I've come to realize why certain things tend to work out the way they do), I think there are typological explanations that can go pretty far in showing why they are not, specifically with regards to the differences between NiSe and NeSi cognition (as well as TeFi and TiFe cognition, and how the different perception and judgment axes interconnect and manifest in the various types).

First, why trust an STP over an NTP, and specifically an ESTP more than any of them? Well, first off, NTPs and STPs both share the TiFe axis, so that doesn't matter. The difference, then, is the NeSi axis vs the SeNi axis. So this basically comes down to a question of trusting SeNi over NeSi when it comes to correctly predicting stock movements. The reason? NeSi is what you might say "untethered" from reality. I have said as much in the INTJ-ENFP thread numerous times, including recently, when I've said "reality often eludes ENFPs". They, in kind, have talked about their inability to walk around, even with the lights on, without banging into things, and regularly feeling like warp holes open up in reality and swallow their belongings, not to be found again until said warp holes reopen and deliver them back to the world. This, to me, speaks of a serious detachment from reality (note: I am not saying NJs, with repressed Se, are not often at variance with reality as well, as we certainly can be; by the end of this, I will address how this is relevant to what I'm arguing). The specific, concrete, the-world-is-out-there-and-it-can-be-read-correctly-for-what-it-is idea that is most closely associated with Se (and Te) is simply better suited to correctly analyzing that world, at least with regards to something as dynamic and ever-changing as the stock market (when it comes to discovering immutable laws of physics, I'll give that one to the NTPs [although, Newtown was an INTJ, uumlau is an INTJ, and I'm sure many other physics theorists probably are as well, so I suppose we're not completely inept in that field, but uumlau could probably speak more to this {I, frankly, don't know shit about this world}], as that seems to be much more Si-friendly territory: a static, immutable, unchanging law of "everything"). Still, I don't think Ti is as useful for objecting analyzing the external world as is Te, but, I suppose, when paired with Se in the dominant (and even Ni in the inferior [although, because of the specific unwieldiness of Ni, when it is in the inferior {or even tertiary} position, I doubt many learn to wield it well]), as in an ESTP, it probably makes Ti more useful at doing so than when it's paired with Ne or Si (as in an NTP).

What you get often with NTPs, when it comes to the stock market, is an attempt to, as uumlau put it, "overlay" a framework onto the market. This does open up territory for people like quants to get in on things, and use their mathematical prowess, and notions of how certain formulas could be used to predict which stocks are undervalued, or which will see swings in their prices, and such methods have become very popular and prominent since the late 90s, but, the example of what happened in the economic crisis, and the role quants played, only goes to prove my point. It was quants who developed the models that gave rise to the housing boom, by using math to "prove" that the risk was diversified when mortgages (and other debt) were sliced and diced into little pieces, and combined into large packages of little pieces of many different mortgages (and other debt) called CMOs and CLOs and CDOs and what not. The problem is, their model (Si) was bullshit, and all that risk that was supposedly reduced by diversifying it actually just became that much more correlated on a systemic basis. Furthermore, quants working in other parts of the financial system, like the stock market, built similarly complex models that all basically worked in the same way, and caused one anothers' models to become extremely correlated to each other, so that their entirely , computer/database/math-based system of trading became like a giant automated herd, whereby they would drive the stock market up together, and likewise, when everything finally got to a point of obvious unsustainability (i.e., when the Dow crossed over 14,000 in December of '07, even though all the signs were there [Se] that we were about to head into the biggest recession since the Great Depression, I took my entire 401K and threw it into government bonds, while they were singing their praises about how their mathematical models were so superior to the "old method" of trading based, essentially, on research [TeSe] and intuition [NiTe]), and the facts of reality could no longer sustain the bubble they'd been building, the stock market slowly slid (and all of them along with it) over the next year until all hell broke loose in September of '08. Meanwhile, analysts, investors and funds who were actually paying attention to the external facts (TeSe), realized that a giant housing bubble had formed over the prior 5+ years, that this bubble had reached its apex, and had now popped, and that the entire economy was gunna tank as the housing market tanked, shorted the shit out of homebuilders, subprime mortgage lenders, the financial industry, CDOs, CMOs, CLOs, and the general market, and made out like bandits (now, I'm not saying that only TeSe and NiTe-styled thinking would be capable of realizing this; what I am saying, though, is that this style of thinking would be more apt to realize it than almost any other, and that NTP-styled thinking, especially that of the TiSi variety [which, obviously, is not their only form of thinking] would not be particularly suited to realizing it).

Anyway, I know I just got into some complicated, possibly esoteric stuff (frankly, I'm never quite sure to what extent people who don't work in the field are aware of this stuff, but, since the crisis hit, people certainly seem to have become far more aware of it than they were before [before, honestly, >99% of people didn't seem to know shit about what was really going on]), and it very well may go over many peoples' heads, but, if you're more interested in understanding what I'm talking about, this would probably be a good book (LINK) -- ftr, I've never read it, but it came out when all this was going down, and seemed like it was probably pretty good -- also, the narrative I just laid out above does not explain the entire reason why we went into this recession, so please don't go around with pitchforks and torches and try to lynch the nearest NTP math geek -- the number of reasons why we went in this crisis is so large, and the story so complex, it is damn near impossible to create one clean, simple, linear narrative -- there are simply too many moving parts, all relevant, for such a thing to be possible).

The other thing you get, aside from quants, with NTPs and the stock market, is armchair theorists like Eugene Fama, who make complicated TiSi based arguments about why it is impossible to beat the market over the long-run, and claim that anybody who does so is simply a current statistical anomaly that will be corrected in the long run. This idea is commonly known as the efficient market hypothesis, and has been hugely influential in the world of finance since Fama developed it as his PhD thesis in the 1960s (although, over the last 10-15 years, it has taken a serious drubbing at the hands of behavioral economists, who have more-or-less proven it to be inadequate). Now, there is some reality to the efficient market hypothesis, as it is very difficult to beat the market over the long-run, but there are a good number of famous practitioners who have done so over the long-run, and, if you examine them closely, it's not merely "luck", as Fama and his followers would like to make it out to be, there is actual skilled involved, and these people and/or the organizations (George Soros, Ray Dalio, John Paulson [although, he's been having troubles as of late], et al) they've set up do have a superior ability to, as it's known in the finance world, find alpha (which simply means to find return in excess of the commensurate level of risk [i.e., what you, animegai, were earlier calling "a low risk, high return strategy"]). As such, the joke among finance types goes, "Eugene Fama got out of one of his lectures and was walking back to his office while talking with one of his students, when the student stopped and said, 'Hey look, there's a $20 bill on the ground,' to which Fama replied, 'Impossible. Someone would have picked it up already.'" As you can see, the joke basically points to something uumlau pointed to earlier, that the Si-user will attempt to "overlay" their understanding of how the world "should be" (Si) onto how the world really is (Se). Furthermore, I think with Fama, who is likely an ENTP, his theory is basically ego-syntonic and self-serving, in that it helps him rationalize and mask his own deficiency in being able to accurately read reality (TeSe) and predict what is going to happen (NiTe). As you might imagine, he is rather despised among actual practitioners.

There could be some counter-examples to the above -- I've seen Soros typed as INTP (it may be true, but I'm not sure; he seems to be some form of NT, and probably INT, at the least) -- and, if it were the case, I think there are some explanations for why it could be the case, but, for the most part, based on my experience, and backed up, imo, by some reasonable typological explanation, predicting future price movements in a constantly dynamic and fluctuating environment like the stock market is far more suited to NTJ-styled thinking (NiTe and TeSe) than NTP-styled thinking, and NiSe-styled thinking, in general, is more suited to the task than NeSi-styled thinking.

I could write more about the other types and their relative strengths/weaknesses, and why, but I'm just gunna leave it at that for now.
 
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Heh. Valid reactions. But my real :wtf: moment was this:


I have never known an xNTP who didn't laugh hysterically at this scene, never mind quote it (and other Monty Python skits) ad nauseum. xNFPs also tend to find the exchange hilarious.

I would agree, however, that most xNxPs wouldn't crack jokes like this. Monty Python is a style of humor fairly unique in the world. I used it due to its ubiquity in geek culture, as a common reference point, not because all Ne/Si types crack jokes like this.

I find the scene funny, but not as much as xNxPs appear to do.

Maybe it sounded INTJish because of the way you described the scene? I do agree that monty python type of humor is really Ne, but how you told it, it was missing all the essentials, which comes from the NeSi, making fun with changing the factual Si points to some ridiculous Ne idea to create some twisted idea(which is found funny) of the external world and continue doing this by picking Si points that are related to the earlier one to twist around the external big picture image/joke thing. For example, the best sketch ever

 

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Maybe it sounded INTJish because of the way you described the scene? I do agree that monty python type of humor is really Ne, but how you told it, it was missing all the essentials, which comes from the NeSi, making fun with changing the factual Si points to some ridiculous Ne idea to create some twisted idea(which is found funny) of the external world and continue doing this by picking Si points that are related to the earlier one to twist around the external big picture image/joke thing. For example, the best sketch ever


Is that an INTP version of this?
[YOUTUBE="tGsJmHhfnzg"]How to ski[/YOUTUBE]
 

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Sometimes I look for what's missing, not what's there.

I'm not sure if it an example of Ni or somethign else, but I am highly aware of things in conversation that are NOT said and the fact that they are not said sometimes means more than what was actually said - having an awareness of omissions (either accidental or intentional). Would that be an example of Ni?
 

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I'm not sure if it an example of Ni or somethign else, but I am highly aware of things in conversation that are NOT said and the fact that they are not said sometimes means more than what was actually said - having an awareness of omissions (either accidental or intentional). Would that be an example of Ni?

This is probably iNtuition in general, a certain looking at something for what it's not.
 

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I'm not sure if it an example of Ni or somethign else, but I am highly aware of things in conversation that are NOT said and the fact that they are not said sometimes means more than what was actually said - having an awareness of omissions (either accidental or intentional). Would that be an example of Ni?

Becareful of that...I know people who read to much into whats not said when it comes to me. But yes, sometimes it does mean more then what is said, this may work with some types better then others.
 

Poki

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This is probably iNtuition in general, a certain looking at something for what it's not.

I guess Ti looks for it at what it is...an ommision. Simply that it could mean smething, but also that it could mean nothing. Some types look at an ommision as strictly nothing because its unkown and not useful.
 
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