Regardless, the reason why I wrote what I did still stands, as it had to do with your "conclusion".
Perhaps it's because you drew a conclusion, and, as a P, you're just not good at that kinda thing.
Yes, that is probably one of the reasons INTPs are not generally considered good listeners.
But if we must go over these once more so that INTPs can accurately see their warts in the mirror, so be it.
And no, there is no acceptable nitpicking allowed here. If you're fucking up these situations due to needless nitpicking, you are a problem, a nuisance, not worthy of breathing the air that should be going to someone else who knows how to cooperate in a productive manner when need be.
Note (and how ironic that I have to preempt you about this on this specific example, because this is what this example is all about): no, I am not saying that your concerns are never not warranted. I am saying that there are times when they are not warranted and you do them anyway.
*cue you either nitpicking or doing #4, even though you deny you do it*
Except that you tried to emphasize that your Fe judgment is correct because it happens when a TJ, declaring objective truths in a Te manner, is abrasive and overconfident?
Interesting how it works out that way...
My point was that, no, the weakness is not simply in the eye of the beholder, it's actually an objective weakness.
And then each of the four points I made pointed to why these were objective, not simply subjective, criticisms.
- Not realizing what the situation itself calls for (for which I used your examples of work an engineering).
- Misinterpreting what an INTJ is saying, by bringing in unrelated information that had nothing to do with what they were intending to say, and thus botching the communication (uumlau's lightbulb example, or what is generally just known as "INTP nitpicking").
- For being bad listeners (so much so that it has been empirically verified by Dario Nardi in his lab).
- For attempting to use Fe shaming methods when Te rubs them the wrong way.
Those are not simply subjective "oh, it's in the eye of the beholder" criticisms.
I'm not saying that similar such criticisms can arise for which subjectivity can enter into the picture, or that subjectivity never plays any role in any of these things (the fact that I even have to mention this, of course, has to do with your guys problem with #2), nor am I saying no other type has problems, and even problems similar to these (they do -- note: once again needing to preempt your #2). But these are problems that others, here, mostly INTJs, are specifically saying about INTPs, that are not simply subjective, but objective, and you might as well try to consider them as such (which, once again, needing to shut down your #2 problem before it starts: I'm not saying you haven't necessarily done this at all).
You just can't help from #2ing all over the place, can you?
(and yes, I realize that you qualified your conclusion with "you might say", my point is that, no, with those four criticisms, you would be wrong if you were to say that. they are objective criticisms. not subjective. and, as such, they're not subject to wishy-washy, flabbily relativistic bullshit, either.)