User Tag List

12311 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 156

  1. #1
    i love skylights's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    MBTI
    INFP
    Enneagram
    6w7 so/sx
    Socionics
    EII Ne
    Posts
    7,835

    Default satisfying N-S conversation

    before there is anger and tomato throwing, i would like to preface this by saying that i have recently more than several comments from both Ns and Ss that extended conversation with a person preferring the other Perception type can seem unsatisfactory - and a few unkind bombs having recently been dropped in certain forums about certain types' intellectual engagement especially prompts me to create this thread.

    for those of you who have had satisfying extended conversation with people of the opposite Perceiving preference, what was it that made the conversation satisfying? and do you tend to find a major difference in P preferences regarding conversation IRL? or is there another facet of type or personality that plays in?



    i will start by saying that even though an N-N conversation can be like a pair of unicorns flying through the ether, an N-S conversation can seem like travelling through a misty trail around a waterfall with a rainbow. it can ultimately be more touching and applicable. sometimes Ns can get too lost in a world that we will never have...

  2. #2
    Habitual Fi LineStepper JocktheMotie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    8,193

    Default

    Every good conversation I've ever had, was because the other person had something interesting to say, or provided a new perspective that I was able to learn from.



  3. #3
    @.~*virinaĉo*~.@ Totenkindly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    FREE
    Enneagram
    594 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ne
    Posts
    42,333

    Default

    Aside from in a life partner (where I have more expectations for the connection), I have found that anyone can be interesting... but that those who are more extreme/one-sided in their personality tend to bore me quickly. I mean, I've been put off my INT's at social events where I just wanted to relax into joking and more casual banter, whereas they were socially inept and insisted on trying to have complex philosophical/intellectual discussions at every turn. At the same time, I can only handle so much discussion of minute concrete details that to me have nothing to do with a bigger picture, and I'll automatically start to tune out.

    Like Jock says, if I'm learning something that I can use or that helps me see something differently, I find it interesting. But I'll get bored if something seems to be just meaningless chatter, whether it's light and fluffy N stuff or a porridge of unrelated S minutia.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

  4. #4
    Senior Member Porcelain Hearts's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    4w5
    Posts
    167

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    i will start by saying that even though an N-N conversation can be like a pair of unicorns flying through the ether, an N-S conversation can seem like travelling through a misty trail around a waterfall with a rainbow. it can ultimately be more touching and applicable. sometimes Ns can get too lost in a world that we will never have...
    :yim_rolling_on_the_
    I'm inclined to agree. But I can't deny how hard it is to bring myself into a sensory awareness... details, especially the obvious ones that humours the S, annoy me. I feel like if I take things too seriously, it sucks the fun out of life. It affects my work though and I end up screwing up because I miss the details. N-P functions like a double edged sword; gifted with ideas, but always feeling there is uncharted territory to cover so we can't make a decision.

    I try and tell myself, along the lines of @JocktheMotie, that there is truth to everything everyone is sharing. It may be biased, undeserving, or extreme; but at least it was preconceived from some form of truth in history or tradition. I think it's easier for an N to adapt to an S world. For an S to go N would be quite challenging.

  5. #5
    Senior Member INTP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    intp
    Enneagram
    5w4 sx
    Posts
    7,823

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Every good conversation I've ever had, was because the other person had something interesting to say, or provided a new perspective that I was able to learn from.
    and you never had a good conversation with an S type?j/k
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
    — C.G. Jung

    Read

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    MBTI
    ISFP
    Enneagram
    2 so/sx
    Posts
    455

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    an N-N conversation can be like a pair of unicorns flying through the ether, an N-S conversation can seem like travelling through a misty trail around a waterfall with a rainbow
    Did you really use these examples on an MBTI forum with your ENFP type clearly visible?

    I am opposed to applying S and N to people because it seems to invite labeling. These are function-attitudes. All people have the S and N functions among their four conscious functions. At any given moment anybody might be "in that function". For example ESFJs have Ne (my own Hero), thus I have found out they seem to enjoy Ne-ness (this is based on personal xp and not on any hard data).

    On the other hand I have found it very difficult to have a normal convo with an ENFP because of the Fi-Te vs. Ti-Fe, even though we can shoot off Ne-ness till the morning.

    It is certainly very challenging trying to communicate with with a type with N as a 4th since my S is also my forth. But I am optimistic these experience are very good for my personal development.

    There is always a shared function to base communication on and there seems to be always a "problematic" function that challenges me in my communications. So far the most challenging one for me has been Fi in others, not S.

    This has been my experience.

    EDIT: But yeah, S seems boring and I get a feeling they think I am crazy and useless/impractical.

  7. #7
    Anew Leaf
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    before there is anger and tomato throwing, i would like to preface this by saying that i have recently more than several comments from both Ns and Ss that extended conversation with a person preferring the other Perception type can seem unsatisfactory - and a few unkind bombs having recently been dropped in certain forums about certain types' intellectual engagement especially prompts me to create this thread.

    for those of you who have had satisfying extended conversation with people of the opposite Perceiving preference, what was it that made the conversation satisfying? and do you tend to find a major difference in P preferences regarding conversation IRL? or is there another facet of type or personality that plays in?



    i will start by saying that even though an N-N conversation can be like a pair of unicorns flying through the ether, an N-S conversation can seem like travelling through a misty trail around a waterfall with a rainbow. it can ultimately be more touching and applicable. sometimes Ns can get too lost in a world that we will never have...
    With both N's and S's, it really does come down to individual nuances that will make them interesting or boring to me.

    I feel like ESTPs and ISTPs are sort of my complete opposite in regards to just about everything. While I may not have the same sort of instant bond with these types that I tend to have with NP types and NJs... there is almost something more worth pursuing with the STPs because it takes more work to achieve. I have been very fortunate to count @Halla74 amongst my friends and I have learned A FEATHER TON from my interactions with him. He's showed me different perspectives that don't occur naturally to me, and have helped me grow as a person because of them.

    That's all I have for the moment as I am very very tired.


  8. #8
    Senior Member King sns's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    MBTI
    enfp
    Enneagram
    6w7 sp/sx
    Socionics
    IEE
    Posts
    6,748

    Default

    This type of topic doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Ns= intellectual stuff and S= items and events?
    Not really. Conversation topics are not a whole hell of a lot different IME. You talk about the same things but look at it from different angles and consider different factors within the conversation. So the N can find one aspect of a topic interesting and the S can find another aspect interesting but at the end of the day there is a ton of gray area where you meet in between and in-between topics where there is a lot of factual/practical/planning stuff and also enough room for speculation and guesswork.

    I don't care to talk about gardening or sports or cars or houses with anyone, don't get me wrong. If every S was walking around constantly talking about that stuff I would be one hell of a lonely person. I don't find that to be the case though. I was about to ramble on a lot further but am so sleepy that my examples aren't making any sense, so good night.
    06/13 10:51:03 five sounds: you!!!
    06/13 10:51:08 shortnsweet: no you!!
    06/13 10:51:12 shortnsweet: go do your things and my things too!
    06/13 10:51:23 five sounds: oh hell naw
    06/13 10:51:55 shortnsweet: !!!!
    06/13 10:51:57 shortnsweet: (cries)
    06/13 10:52:19 RiftsWRX: You two are like furbies stuck in a shoe box

    My Nohari
    My Johari
    by sns.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    1,702

    Default

    I do tend to have longer conversations with N types which can be satisfying but sometimes I'd of preferred a more direct response.

    I would be lying though if I said I wasn't more satisfied with a N-N conversation though (despite the occasional exception)

  10. #10
    garbage
    Guest

    Default

    If I don't 'trust' a person to 'get' my off-the-wall tangents right off the bat, I linearize my conversation and tend not to use pronouns. Heck, that's usually how I start most conversations with strangers anyway. I just want to make sure that I'm well-understood and that I come across clearly; if my message is not getting across, then what's the point of conversing?

    Even other intuitives irritate me when they start on with "She said that [...]" out of the blue, unrelated to what we were just talking about, as if I know who She was supposed to be! C'mon, I am not inside your head. One of my favorite things to say to my dad is "Use fewer pronouns!" because, well, he does that a lot and seemingly doesn't care when he loses everyone in conversation.

    I like when other people speak in generalities, life lessons, the future, or possibilities right along with me, though.


    The biggest 'nails on chalkboard' conversations to me, however, occur when the other person is just completely contrarian, which has little to do with a 'N/S divide' and more to do with the person's ego hinging upon thinking that he has identified problems and that he knows all about every situation that he is placed in. I want as little to do with these people as possible.

Similar Threads

  1. INTPs in conversations & relationships.
    By Xander in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 11-02-2007, 08:32 AM
  2. bash.org. Amusing chatroom conversations.
    By darlets in forum Science, Technology, and Future Tech
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 05-28-2007, 12:22 AM
  3. Overheard Conversations
    By kuranes in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-20-2007, 07:03 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO