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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    This discussion causes good oldfashioned Ti headache ... Please think of the children!
    For real. This is turning into the doublethink thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    Okay, how about please go back to the bridge where you came from. Will that do?

    BTW, hi troll! Remember when you replied to me in the harlot thread with a bunch of nonsense and ended it with, "@Nicodemus this is all?"

    I guess you didn't learn your lesson the first time I sent you crawling back to your bridge.

    Heh, this ought to be fun...
    Funny, I was thinking the same about you. I saw no more from you on the "Harlot" thread beyond your feeble attempt at parting insults. In this thread, I had thought you were behaving with more maturity and civility, and I responded accordingly. I am not the one spouting nonsense here. That has been your contribution, though I have resisted calling it so out of courtesy, giving you as much benefit of the doubt as I can. Since you seem so intrigued by my aside to Nicodemus, I will tell you simply that it was my way, since his wall is turned off, to decline a suggestion he made in a rep regarding the thread. You, of course, are free to spin it into whatever delusion suits your present fancy.

    I have learned more from you than you may think. It is seldom in my daily life that I meet people who cling to a set of religious views and "supporting" texts with so little ability to analyze and explain them. Your replies to me and others will help me cut to the chase in future encounters of this kind, hopefully resulting in a more enlightening discussion.

    I am not sure why you seem so defensive on this topic. Perhaps you feel you are not doing your part as a good Christian if you are not taking some "heat" for your beliefs. I have never tried to persuade you to abandon Christianity, though, or to discount the Bible, or to turn your back on Jesus. In fact, I have consistently affirmed the value of all three. Just because Christianity is not the way for me (and I assure you, it isn't), doesn't mean it is wrong for you or others, or even that I have nothing to learn from it. I just find it disappointing and unfortunate when someone has so little ability or willingness to make a coherent case for their beliefs. I have known several Christians who do so admirably, and expect the same of me. We don't convert each other; that is never the intention. We do learn, and end up understanding each other better.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    If you are not a Christian, I don't expect you to understand spiritual things because your spirit is dead.
    This says it all.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Funny, I was thinking the same about you. I saw no more from you on the "Harlot" thread beyond your feeble attempt at parting insults. In this thread, I had thought you were behaving with more maturity and civility, and I responded accordingly. I am not the one spouting nonsense here. That has been your contribution, though I have resisted calling it so out of courtesy, giving you as much benefit of the doubt as I can. Since you seem so intrigued by my aside to Nicodemus, I will tell you simply that it was my way, since his wall is turned off, to decline a suggestion he made in a rep regarding the thread. You, of course, are free to spin it into whatever delusion suits your present fancy.

    I have learned more from you than you may think. It is seldom in my daily life that I meet people who cling to a set of religious views and "supporting" texts with so little ability to analyze and explain them. Your replies to me and others will help me cut to the chase in future encounters of this kind, hopefully resulting in a more enlightening discussion.

    I am not sure why you seem so defensive on this topic. Perhaps you feel you are not doing your part as a good Christian if you are not taking some "heat" for your beliefs. I have never tried to persuade you to abandon Christianity, though, or to discount the Bible, or to turn your back on Jesus. In fact, I have consistently affirmed the value of all three. Just because Christianity is not the way for me (and I assure you, it isn't), doesn't mean it is wrong for you or others, or even that I have nothing to learn from it. I just find it disappointing and unfortunate when someone has so little ability or willingness to make a coherent case for their beliefs. I have known several Christians who do so admirably, and expect the same of me. We don't convert each other; that is never the intention. We do learn, and end up understanding each other better.

    This says it all.
    Interesting perception, more deception. Poor thing. What do you want now? a bandaid? a compass? sympathy?

    I will pray 4 you. <3

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    You have the advantage of me, dear Nerd Girl, for I haven't even been born once, never mind twice.

    For I am a Caesar, my mother never gave birth, but rather I was taken from her womb before birth could even take place.

    So even if I were born in the Spirit, it would be my first birth, rather than being born again.
    You're very clever with words! I heart that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    You're very clever with words!
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    A man builds. A parasite asks 'Where is my share?'
    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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    Only parts of the bible are literal, a lot of it is purely metaphorical. Do most Christians know this? Just wondering...
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    There are logical thinkers adhering to various ideologies. Religions that have a history of philosophical writings and that attempt to create a complete sense of reality would have more appeal to a logical thinker. It is difficult to create a large-scale system of thought without some logical basis for organizing its ideas.

    Some religions are specifically anti-logical and focus on present emotional responses as the source of insight and truth. They may rely on the more analytical works of other religions to create some of their underlying assumptions, but in the actual practice of the religion there is a fairly strong rejection of logical or analytical thought.

    The religion that I was extensively steeped in for years was a newer one, but one that made an attempt at explaining every detail. They had extensive writings and commentaries that explained every single verse in the Bible referring back to the original Greek and Hebrew, etc. This did not produce a consistent logic, but does demonstrate that value is placed on being able to make a reasoned case for a conclusion.

    The intermingling of reason and impulse can create a complex and unstable system. As a quick observation you can guesstimate how much a religion relies on logic in its method of dealing with conflict. If someone dissents in their beliefs, do they get out the writings and make a reasoned case, or do they socially and emotionally punish the person who is dissenting. The manipulation tactics that a person uses from inside a religion tells you the method of control place upon them to remain in the group. If the religion relies strongly on insider/outsider definitions that make outsiders dangerous, bad, dead inside, untrustworthy, then that system relies on coercion and not reason. If the person inside the religion is a great and wonderful person until they start talking about God, and then an arrogance and meanness overtakes them, that also tells you that their system is influenced by control tactics and not reason. The concept of God becomes a metaphor for that sense of social control and domination. If the topic of God lifts the person up to have a deeper sense of empathy, a greater compassion and comprehension of humanity, than that is also very telling because in that case God is a metaphor for, or even the original source of, insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I was reading the last book of the Bible called, "Revelations", the other day, and I was struck by how well it is written and yet seemed to bear no relation to reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparrow View Post
    Only parts of the bible are literal, a lot of it is purely metaphorical. Do most Christians know this? Just wondering...
    Yes.

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    I find it ironic that @Nerd Girl has one of America's most iconic sex symbols, if not the most iconic.
    Excuse me, but does this smell like chloroform to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerd Girl View Post
    You're very clever with words! I heart that.
    My words are only matched by your clever ears.

    As the only one more important than a good writer is a good reader.

    So dear Nerd Girl, lend me your ears every now and then and bring my words to life.

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