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    Default The starting point of mbti analysis

    I just stumbled over an intresting claim by author, philosopher and hobby-psychologist Dr. Joseph Murphy:

    Whatever the subconscious accepts as true, it directs you to act as if it is true
    Murphy was a big fan of autosuggestion and said that basically all of our life we are the pawns to our subconciousness.

    Given his theory as a starter, what do you think is the most objective starting point for mbti analysis ? Under the premisse that all humans would be objective and able to analyze factually without biases of any sort.

    You could say the starting point could be function theory, but you can argue as well that humans are the sum of their functions and by focussing too much onto single functions you could destroy the whole picture. Then again you can say that obviously the picture as a whole is formed thru functions, like there is a huge difference between F and T and then you can ask how far can you set a person apart to analyse the functions and not destroying the big picture that is the person ?

    Another question is what creates our initial fascination with mbti ? it does only tell us things we already now, doesnt it; cause it talks about us ? So is it our wish maybe that others can see how we are and mbti gives us an instrument to easily achieve that ? But how far is mbti allowed to go ? Mbti says, because entps are so enthusiastic they are bad money savers. Is that ok or does it cross a line already with such an accuse ?

    What are your thoughts, the question basically is: where can mbti start to be a meaningful instrument and where must it end ? What cant be understood by mbti and what is the future of mbti ? Are the types constant for like forever ?
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    I think the biggest misinterpretation is when people assume that a singular act comes from a singular thought.

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    The Popularity of MBTI

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I just stumbled over an intresting claim by author, philosopher and hobby-psychologist Dr. Joseph Murphy:

    Murphy was a big fan of autosuggestion and said that basically all of our life we are the pawns to our subconciousness.

    Given his theory as a starter, what do you think is the most objective starting point for mbti analysis ? Under the premisse that all humans would be objective and able to analyze factually without biases of any sort.

    You could say the starting point could be function theory, but you can argue as well that humans are the sum of their functions and by focussing too much onto single functions you could destroy the whole picture. Then again you can say that obviously the picture as a whole is formed thru functions, like there is a huge difference between F and T and then you can ask how far can you set a person apart to analyse the functions and not destroying the big picture that is the person ?

    Another question is what creates our initial fascination with mbti ? it does only tell us things we already now, doesnt it; cause it talks about us ? So is it our wish maybe that others can see how we are and mbti gives us an instrument to easily achieve that ? But how far is mbti allowed to go ? Mbti says, because entps are so enthusiastic they are bad money savers. Is that ok or does it cross a line already with such an accuse ?

    What are your thoughts, the question basically is: where can mbti start to be a meaningful instrument and where must it end ? What cant be understood by mbti and what is the future of mbti ? Are the types constant for like forever ?
    C'mon, MBTI starts with the book, "Personality Types", by Carl Jung who stated that his book was based on no empirical evidence. In other words, the book, "Personality Types', is merely fanciful like astrology. And indeed Carl Jung was an astrologer.

    And Carl Jung was an enthusiatic follower of the Führer and sexually abused his female patients.

    And then, the book, "Personality Types", was plaigerised by Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers to create MBTI. And of course Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers had no qualifications in Psychometrics.

    And to cap it all off, the military use MBTI to control and manipulate recruits, just as business uses MBTI to control and manipulate employees.

    So the interesting question is: why is MBTI so popular?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, MBTI starts with the book, "Personality Types", by Carl Jung who stated that his book was based on no empirical evidence. In other words, the book, "Personality Types', is merely fanciful like astrology. And indeed Carl Jung was an astrologer.

    And Carl Jung was an enthusiatic follower of the Führer and sexually abused his female patients.

    And then, the book, "Personality Types", was plaigerised by Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers to create MBTI. And of course Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers had no qualifications in Psychometrics.

    And to cap it all off, the military use MBTI to control and manipulate recruits, just as business uses MBTI to control and manipulate employees.

    So the interesting question is: why is MBTI so popular?
    Lol.

    The book is 'psychological types'.

    Jung was very notable psychologist and saw so many patients, knew how the mind works, and derived quite many of his typological principles from other stuff that were commonly accepted in the field of psychology. Empirical research would had only given scientific proofs for his typology, but it wasnt really needed, since its so obvious to everyone who knows how people differ from each other.

    Jung wasnt follower of nazis, he did work in nazi germany for a while, but not for hitler, he o ly tried to keep those people sane in the middle of that madness and to ensure that psychoanalysis wasnt totally forgotten in germany in those bad times. He even openly criticized nazi movement and described it as being an mass manifestation of the shadow archetype, which isnt a nice thing..

    Sexually abused his patients? He did hire his former patient who he had a long term relationship with, even tho he was married, but his wife accepted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, MBTI starts with the book, "Personality Types", by Carl Jung who stated that his book was based on no empirical evidence. In other words, the book, "Personality Types', is merely fanciful like astrology. And indeed Carl Jung was an astrologer.

    And Carl Jung was an enthusiatic follower of the Führer and sexually abused his female patients.

    And then, the book, "Personality Types", was plaigerised by Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers to create MBTI. And of course Mrs Briggs and her daughter Mrs Myers had no qualifications in Psychometrics.

    And to cap it all off, the military use MBTI to control and manipulate recruits, just as business uses MBTI to control and manipulate employees.

    So the interesting question is: why is MBTI so popular?
    haha ya I agree. but I really tried this time to not sound negative towards the theory again
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    Creating the system:
    1. Devise a set of hypothetical dichotomies based upon observation
    2. Devise a set of hypothetical traits that describe each pole for each dichotomy
    3. Gather up a crapton of people
    4. Assess them across each trait (somehow!)
    5. Calibrate weights for each trait until we get a neat little bimodal distribution (if possible)
    6. Refine understanding of dichotomies and traits based upon the success of our lovely new system
    7. Devise a theory (e.g. function theory) that explains these dichotomies (if we must!)
    8. Go back to 1.

    Finding one's place in the system:
    1. Assess self across each trait (somehow!)
    2. Tally up, find place on each dichotomy

    Simple enough, really!

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    The Jew and the Aryan

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    Lol.

    The book is 'psychological types'.

    Jung was very notable psychologist and saw so many patients, knew how the mind works, and derived quite many of his typological principles from other stuff that were commonly accepted in the field of psychology. Empirical research would had only given scientific proofs for his typology, but it wasnt really needed, since its so obvious to everyone who knows how people differ from each other.

    Jung wasnt follower of nazis, he did work in nazi germany for a while, but not for hitler, he o ly tried to keep those people sane in the middle of that madness and to ensure that psychoanalysis wasnt totally forgotten in germany in those bad times. He even openly criticized nazi movement and described it as being an mass manifestation of the shadow archetype, which isnt a nice thing..

    Sexually abused his patients? He did hire his former patient who he had a long term relationship with, even tho he was married, but his wife accepted it.
    Carl Jung failed his psychoanalysis with Sigmund Freud and so failed to become a psychoanalyst, and instead Carl became a guru.

    Carl failed his psychoanalysis with Sigmund because he failed to resolve his father fixation. Yes, Carl was fixated on his father and was unable to gain his psychological independence from his own father.

    But Carl didn't give up. He transferred his father fixation to his therapist, Sigmund, who became a surrogate father.

    And Carl's hidden hostility to his own father was too much to even reveal to Sigmund, so Carl transferred his hostility to Sigmund and broke off his psychoanalysis.

    But still Carl didn't give up and he transferred his father fixtation to the father of the nation, the Fuhrer.

    The Fuhrer went on to drive the Jew, Sigmund, from his home and country and murder his extended family and his people, while the Aryan, Carl, went on to greater status under the Fuhrer, his surrogate father.

    The Aryan Fuhrer enabled Aryan Carl to express his hostility to his surrogate father, the Jew Sigmund, in a satisfying and unambiguous way, by getting rid of him.

    And what I notice here is that the Jew, Sigmund, is disrespected, while the Aryan, Carl, is treated as a guru.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Carl Jung failed his psychoanalysis with Sigmund Freud and so failed to become a psychoanalyst, and instead Carl became a guru.

    Carl failed his psychoanalysis with Sigmund because he failed to resolve his father fixation. Yes, Carl was fixated on his father and was unable to gain his psychological independence from his own father.

    But Carl didn't give up. He transferred his father fixation to his therapist, Sigmund, who became a surrogate father.

    And Carl's hidden hostility to his own father was too much to even reveal to Sigmund, so Carl transferred his hostility to Sigmund and broke off his psychoanalysis.

    But still Carl didn't give up and he transferred his father fixtation to the father of the nation, the Fuhrer.

    The Fuhrer went on to drive the Jew, Sigmund, from his home and country and murder his extended family and his people, while the Aryan, Carl, went on to greater status under the Fuhrer, his surrogate father.

    The Aryan Fuhrer enabled Aryan Carl to express his hostility to his surrogate father, the Jew Sigmund, in a satisfying and unambiguous way, by getting rid of him.

    And what I notice here is that the Jew, Sigmund, is disrespected, while the Aryan, Carl, is treated as a guru.
    Lol
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