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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    You called them 'creatures'? Wow. Just wow.
    Entropie is German, just so you know. Whatever extra meaning you attach to the word creatures beyond the technical definition was probably unintended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    The biggest, most accurate criticism you can level against the average INFP is that they're too passive. They don't speak up. They often have strongly held beliefs, but they don't make them known.
    ok maybe its because I am entp and like to poke people, but I have hardly survived the battles with dom Fi people once I had pushed the right buttons . That scar through my face was me surving the big Fi battle at Gettysbourgh xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Entropie is German, just so you know. Whatever extra meaning you attach to the word creatures beyond the technical definition was probably unintended.
    Germans are only capable of speaking technically? Wow, just wow.


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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    The biggest, most accurate criticism you can level against the average INFP is that they're too passive. They don't speak up. They often have strongly held beliefs, but they don't make them known.
    I have known some to be almost passive-aggressive in harboring strong feelings about something but not sharing them, and then holding it against others for not acknowledging them. ("No one appreciates me, but I'm not willing to share anything for them to appreciate . . .")

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    Germans are only capable of speaking technically? Wow, just wow.
    Fixed. One reason I have always liked Germans.

    BTW, Entropie: as a native speaker of English, I can assure you that your use of the word "creatures" was entirely appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Fixed. One reason I have always liked Germans.

    BTW, Entropie: as a native speaker of English, I can assure you that your use of the word "creatures" was entirely appropriate.
    Haha thanks.

    The intps always fight me with sticks and stones tho I came with a railgun on the battleground, but what do you know; somehow they always manage to hit Goliaths eye, tho you just didnt want to become personal at all, but were just looking for a nice intellectual cascade of railgun fire in the heavens and have a beer together later

    To clarify the whole thing a bit further. When I laughed about the "Fi people being very passive creatures" thing, I was thinking about my infp who doesnt fit that at all. But since she and me are on another level of communication after 6 years, I can perfectly understand what was meant in the first place towards Fi people who are strangers to you. I am sometimes just 2 or 3 steps ahead in a more specific way in which a situation can develop in my comments but that doesnt mean I dont agree on the basics.
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    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    These are alright, .. I don't know if they tell us anything new though, they are just the basics- the stereotypes come from the basics so it just goes around in circles. (I actually kind of like the more assumptive ones- like S's like crime novels and F's like fiction) because it offers a new perspective, something to think about.
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    T / Thinking
    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling
    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    Huh. I think I'm a Thinker, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T
    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    I am more likely to act like a Thinker and:

    Have truth as my objective.
    Decide more with my head.
    Prefer on principle to question others' findings, believing their findings may be inaccurate
    See my encounters with people as having a purpose.
    Notice ineffective reasoning.
    Choose truthfulness over tactfulness.
    Critique and point out the negatives, overlooking the positives.
    Focus my attention on universal principles.
    Deal with people firmly, as required.
    Expect the world to run on logical principles. (but I've learned it often does not)
    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    I am more likely to act like a Feeler and:

    Have harmony as my objective. (when aplictable to friends and family)
    Decide more with my heart.
    Prefer to agree with others' findings, believing people are worth listening to.
    See my encounters with people as friendly and important in themselves.
    Notice when people need support. (at least material emotional support or a helping hand)
    Choose tactfulness over truthfulness.
    Overlook people's negative points, stressing areas of agreement.
    Focus my attention on personal motives. (but usually with suspicion)
    Deal with people compassionately, as needed.
    Expect the world to recognize individual differences. (diversity is good, and real)
    I see being supportive and critical and being truthful and tactful and being intertwined. My goal in a conversation where those things are a factor is to be tactful, honest and provide support while addressing the things I feel I need to be critical about - that may mean sugar coating things, but it does not mean sacrificing honesty to do so.

    That comparison chart got me thinking about conflict vs harmony and how it relates to F/T...

    If there are unresolved problems between two or more persons (or creatures ), then that will affect the mood of those persons involved (which results in the atmosphere of harmony being at risk if not nullified) and that will have a negative effect on their interactions with each other and possibly third parties as well (depending on how much they compartmentalize). I see conflict as existing in that case even if it goes unspoken (and unseen to those not involved), so steps should be taken to talk things out and make an effort to resolve the conflicts (whether or not they go unspoken, they are felt and internalized and causing more harm than good by doing so). In that regard, I see conflict as natural and necessary, but its also easy to end up taking it personally too if anger and hostility are involved.

    I think what happens for me is that when I detect a reduction in harmony levels, then I seek to determine the reason and find possible solutions to resolve it, and that often means addressing conflict, but conflict can often be resolved with civility if all affected parties are willing to approach it in that manner. If a disagreement is resolved through polite civil conversation to address the misunderstandings, did a conflict occur, or would that be a resolution that did not involve conflict?

    A more grey area of the concept of conflict is that of being argumentative. When one is argumentative and hostile, then that seems to be clearly associatable with conflict, but when two people are participating in a more emotionally detached verbal sparing match (for example arguing over the interpretation of a poorly worded rule), is that conflict? To an outward observer, they are seeing a spirited argument and may or may not realize that its not personal so they might see it as conflict, but what is the dividing line for what is or is not conflict?

    As a male with an F preference, I found your description of F males to be very acurate and I would strongly agree that finding friends that do not make me feel pressured to conform to the steroetypes of what a male "should be" makes a huge difference.
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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    (Truth before tact)
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical

    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion (what exactly does that mean?)
    (Interested in people-then-things)
    Often prefer fiction
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