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    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    according to this, I'm a fairly strong T lol

    @Owfin

    this. I'm an ENFP, but I don't care for 95% of people and tend to be rational, level headed and not very emotional. descriptions make Feelers all sound like EFJ 2s and 4s (yuck!)
    But what it boils down to is this: if I met you IRL, I would see you as a Thinking type.

    Also, I'm not a big Te user but I identify with most of the Thinking traits listed. What you don't get is that it is possible to describe T and F without reference to the two attitudinal relationships, that is, just Thinking and Feeling. But if you're used to seeing this only in Jungian terms, it becomes difficult to separate from that. I've seen a lot of that around here. It is nothing more than reductionistic.

    I will agree that the statements in my own list, such as "You're hardhearted!", seem like they describe a Te, such as my ESTJ boss. But I've been described as unemotional and even criticized for it.
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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart

    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction


    not sure how to respond:

    critical, then supportive vs. supportive, then critical - i can be both, depending on the circumstances. there are situations, especially with some close friends, where to in order to help one has to be critical. i suppose that could be defined as being slightly more in favor of the second option.

    decides with head vs. decides with heart - can't answer this one. ideally, i would like to be able to decide with my heart more, but in reality i often do not. my heart may well be silent when i need it least or come up with something that will make me wonder just what it is and what do i do with it. in cases like those, i use logic to decide. i suppose i might be considered somewhat more in favor of the second option. after all, i do want to make more decisions based on my feelings. at least that.

    good at being critical vs. good at being appreciative - i can be both, depending on the context.

    at ease with the personal vs. at ease with the impersonal - i am both. i'm perfectly fine with the impersonal, if theories are to be seen as that. but then i have to be emotionally invested in a theory for it to be attractive - does that make it more "personal"? again, possibly more in favor of the second option, but not so sure.

    sees conflict as natural vs. sees conflict as personal - i perceive conflicts much less personally than i used to until my early twenties, and yes, i largely see them as natural. though random odd overreactions do happen once in a while and i am never sure what is going to trigger them or when.

    based on this i am F, but with some question marks.

    (i think i am most probably INFP, but been wondering about INTP too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestripes View Post
    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart

    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction


    not sure how to respond:

    critical, then supportive vs. supportive, then critical - i can be both, depending on the circumstances. there are situations, especially with some close friends, where to in order to help one has to be critical. i suppose that could be defined as being slightly more in favor of the second option.

    decides with head vs. decides with heart - can't answer this one. ideally, i would like to be able to decide with my heart more, but in reality i often do not. my heart may well be silent when i need it least or come up with something that will make me wonder just what it is and what do i do with it. in cases like those, i use logic to decide. i suppose i might be considered somewhat more in favor of the second option. after all, i do want to make more decisions based on my feelings. at least that.

    good at being critical vs. good at being appreciative - i can be both, depending on the context.

    at ease with the personal vs. at ease with the impersonal - i am both. i'm perfectly fine with the impersonal, if theories are to be seen as that. but then i have to be emotionally invested in a theory for it to be attractive - does that make it more "personal"? again, possibly more in favor of the second option, but not so sure.

    sees conflict as natural vs. sees conflict as personal - i perceive conflicts much less personally than i used to until my early twenties, and yes, i largely see them as natural. though random odd overreactions do happen once in a while and i am never sure what is going to trigger them or when.

    based on this i am F, but with some question marks.

    (i think i am most probably INFP, but been wondering about INTP too)
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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people

    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical

    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things

    Often prefer fiction


    Bold = strongly identify
    Red = could go either way (depending on situation)
    Blue = like/skilled at both equally

    This was difficult. I identify at least to a degree with half of the Thinking list except those that relate to being harsh, critical, and at ease with conflict; these are very alienating to me. But then my ISTP dad doesn't like conflict either (probably because he's a 9w8) . I'm not sure whether I decide with head or heart but I'm inclined to say I probably use my head more often.
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    - Emily Bronte

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Also, I'm not a big Te user but I identify with most of the Thinking traits listed. What you don't get is that it is possible to describe T and F without reference to the two attitudinal relationships, that is, just Thinking and Feeling. But if you're used to seeing this only in Jungian terms, it becomes difficult to separate from that. I've seen a lot of that around here. It is nothing more than reductionistic.
    I do think it is possible to describe T and F without reference to the two attitudinal relationships. I just thought the descriptions here had aspects that were not pure T vs F.
    I don't see any invisible treasure chests.

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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction


    I'm a thinker, but people are waaaay more interesting than things. I like to think I'm somewhat in touch with my feelings though. Also, I am extremely uncomfortable around conflict. It totally sucks.
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    Religious Stance: (roughly) Secular Humanist
    Class: Wizard
    Stereotype: Geek/Hippie

    Also, credit for my new avatar goes to this person. I found it on the google.

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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction
    INtp
    5w6 or 9w1 sp/so/sx, I think
    Ravenclaw/Hufflepuff
    Neutral Good
    LII-Ne




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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head

    Truth before tact (I try to balance this one; sometimes, silence is best)
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal

    Seeks to ignore emotion (more seeks to keep it in its place)
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative (I am getting better at this)
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction (probably more driven by Ni-dom)


    I am more likely to act like a Thinker and:

    Have truth as my objective.
    Decide more with my head.
    Prefer on principle to question others' findings, believing their findings may be inaccurate.
    See my encounters with people as having a purpose.
    Notice ineffective reasoning.

    Choose truthfulness over tactfulness.
    Critique and point out the negatives, overlooking the positives.
    Focus my attention on universal principles.
    Deal with people firmly, as required.
    Expect the world to run on logical principles.
    (but I've learned it often does not)


    I am more likely to act like a Feeler and:

    Have harmony as my objective.
    Decide more with my heart.
    Prefer to agree with others' findings, believing people are worth listening to.
    See my encounters with people as friendly and important in themselves.
    Notice when people need support. (at least material support or a helping hand)
    Choose tactfulness over truthfulness.
    Overlook people's negative points, stressing areas of agreement.
    Focus my attention on personal motives. (but usually with suspicion)
    Deal with people compassionately, as needed.
    Expect the world to recognize individual differences. (diversity is good, and real)
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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    Thinking wins by a mile.

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    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    It's kind to determine the answer to lots of these in terms of absolutes. Really, most of the answers are relative to whom I'm dealing with, and in some cases force a false dichotomy. I can be critical, yet still also be supportive of someone despite that, which again is dependent on the dynamic with said person. Also, despite being a T, I wouldn't say I run or ignore from emotion. If anything, I'm very aware of how I feel most of the time, yet the struggle is trying to understand from an objective standpoint why I feel what I feel and is that feeling correct given the circumstance.

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