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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive (situational)
    Decides with head (ideally, not always)
    Truth before tact (situational)
    Sees conflict as natural (you'd have to define "natural" first...tentatively disagree)
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal (define "the impersonal" first)
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction (this one sounds dumb to me)

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical (situational)
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth (situational)
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative (depends what the threshold for "good" is)
    At ease with the personal (again, define "personal" in this context)
    Attach to emotion (what does this even mean?)
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    The list does not seem particularly accurate.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post

    I love fiction and nonfiction, and I use tact and truth accordingly, though admittedly, I am often too truthful. I also enjoy both people and things

    Not sure how to go about supportive then critical. No context. For example, with ideas, I am very critical. With other people being down, I may critique the situation but I may present a caring role in order to get the desired information so I can give them advice.
    Here's a list of options from LifeTypes:

    I am more likely to act like a Thinker and:

    Have truth as my objective.
    Decide more with my head.
    Prefer on principle to question others' findings, believing their findings may be inaccurate.
    See my encounters with people as having a purpose.
    Notice ineffective reasoning.
    Choose truthfulness over tactfulness.
    Critique and point out the negatives, overlooking the positives.
    Focus my attention on universal principles.
    Deal with people firmly, as required.
    Expect the world to run on logical principles.

    What others might say when you've overused your Thinking:

    "You're hardhearted!"
    "You're so cold; quit acting like a computer!"
    'Why can't you at least be more pleasant?"
    "How can you be so heartless?"
    How could you say something so cruel?"

    I am more likely to act like a Feeler and:

    Have harmony as my objective.
    Decide more with my heart.
    Prefer to agree with others' findings, believing people are worth listening to.
    See my encounters with people as friendly and important in themselves.
    Notice when people need support.
    Choose tactfulness over truthfulness.
    Overlook people's negative points, stressing areas of agreement.
    Focus my attention on personal motives. (I can do both, can't I?)
    Deal with people compassionately, as needed.
    Expect the world to recognize individual differences.

    What others might say when you've overused your Feeling:

    "You're a bleeding heart!"
    "You're such a softy, a real people pleaser!"
    "Why can't you be more logical?"
    "Don't you ever use your head?"
    "Quit taking it so personally!"

    "Expect the world to recognize individual differences" seems to be opposed to "logical principles." This amounts to treating people according to the same principles, like the lady of justice with the balance scales and blindfold, versus treating them uniquely and subjectively. I kind of go both ways on this point.
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    I think the problem is that these descriptions aren't describing base T vs F, they are describing Te vs Fe. Therefore, many don't identify with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive (situational)
    Decides with head (ideally, not always)
    Truth before tact (situational)
    Sees conflict as natural (you'd have to define "natural" first...tentatively disagree)
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal (define "the impersonal" first)
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction (this one sounds dumb to me)

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical (situational)
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth (situational)
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative (depends what the threshold for "good" is)
    At ease with the personal (again, define "personal" in this context)
    Attach to emotion (what does this even mean?)
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    The list does not seem particularly accurate.
    I can appreciate your Thinking modus operandi in dealing with this list. LOL.
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    Have truth as my objective.
    Decide more with my head.
    Prefer on principle to question others' findings, believing their findings may be inaccurate.

    See my encounters with people as having a purpose.
    Notice ineffective reasoning.
    Choose truthfulness over tactfulness.

    Critique and point out the negatives, overlooking the positives.
    Focus my attention on universal principles.
    Deal with people firmly, as required.
    Expect the world to run on logical principles.


    What others might say when you've overused your Thinking:

    "You're hardhearted!"
    "You're so cold; quit acting like a computer!"
    'Why can't you at least be more pleasant?"
    "How can you be so heartless?"
    How could you say something so cruel?"


    The story of my life.

    Have harmony as my objective. (more like seek a balance)
    Decide more with my heart.
    Prefer to agree with others' findings, believing people are worth listening to.
    See my encounters with people as friendly and important in themselves.
    Notice when people need support.
    Choose tactfulness over truthfulness.
    Overlook people's negative points, stressing areas of agreement.
    Focus my attention on personal motives.
    Deal with people compassionately, as needed.
    Expect the world to recognize individual differences.
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    I am more likely to act like a Thinker and:

    Have truth as my objective.
    Decide more with my head.
    Prefer on principle to question others' findings, believing their findings may be inaccurate. (Well, I do, but I often keep quiet about it)
    See my encounters with people as having a purpose.
    Notice ineffective reasoning.
    Choose truthfulness over tactfulness.
    Critique and point out the negatives, overlooking the positives.
    Focus my attention on universal principles.
    Deal with people firmly, as required.
    Expect the world to run on logical principles.

    What others might say when you've overused your Thinking:

    "You're hardhearted!"
    "You're so cold; quit acting like a computer!"
    'Why can't you at least be more pleasant?"
    "How can you be so heartless?"
    How could you say something so cruel?"

    I am more likely to act like a Feeler and:

    Have harmony as my objective.
    Decide more with my heart.
    Prefer to agree with others' findings, believing people are worth listening to. (I may not agree, but I try not to criticize)
    See my encounters with people as friendly and important in themselves.
    Notice when people need support.
    Choose tactfulness over truthfulness.
    Overlook people's negative points, stressing areas of agreement. (I do both...It depends)
    Focus my attention on personal motives.
    Deal with people compassionately, as needed.
    Expect the world to recognize individual differences.

    What others might say when you've overused your Feeling:

    "You're a bleeding heart!"
    "You're such a softy, a real people pleaser!"
    "Why can't you be more logical?"
    "Don't you ever use your head?"
    "Quit taking it so personally!"

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    Your interpration of what jung meant by rational and objective feeling arent true.

    By rational function, jung meant processing information, opposed to irrational function, which is just about collecting/perceiving information. It has nothing to do with internal consistency of thoughts. This lack of internal consistency of thoughts are products of undeveloped functions.

    Its true that by objective jung meant directed towards objective(external) world. But it doesent mean that the function is objective(in its general meaning) itself, just that its aimed towards objectivity. This "objective" F is ofc Fe. Now if you think about Fe, are you seriously saying that its not aimed towards external objective world or that it doesent strive for objectivity of feeling? Because this is exactly what Fe is about..
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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction


    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction


    I don't buy that part about thinkers being more cynical about human nature. It's almost a cliche for Fi types to think all sorts of things about human nature, often brooding on the dark side of it. Thinkers tend to be more neutral about "all that human nonsense" :P

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    All of this stuff is entirely context dependent. Sometimes thinking is better than feeling, sometimes visa versa, often a blend of both, as the situation dictates.

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    T / Thinking

    Logic over sentiment
    Critical, then supportive
    Decides with head
    Truth before tact
    Sees conflict as natural
    Good at being critical
    At ease with the impersonal
    Seeks to ignore emotion
    Interested in things-then-people
    Often prefer non-fiction

    F / Feeling

    Sentiment over logic
    Supportive, then critical
    Decides with heart
    Tact before truth
    Takes conflict personally
    Good at being appreciative
    At ease with the personal
    Attach to emotion
    Interested in people-then-things
    Often prefer fiction

    according to this, I'm a fairly strong T lol

    @Owfin
    I think the problem is that these descriptions aren't describing base T vs F, they are describing Te vs Fe. Therefore, many don't identify with either.
    this. I'm an ENFP, but I don't care for 95% of people and tend to be rational, level headed and not very emotional. descriptions make Feelers all sound like EFJ 2s and 4s (yuck!)
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