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    Quote Originally Posted by Owfin View Post
    How is that even relevant? Would the tire store be worse if his enemy owned it? I disagree with your S friend. It annoys me when people change their opinions about something because of that.
    I thought this was too obvious to explain. Intuitives see both sides of the story; the Sensor in my example sees only one side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I thought this was too obvious to explain. Intuitives see both sides of the story; the Sensor in my example sees only one side.
    No, I got your example. I was reacting to your friend's argument.
    I don't see any invisible treasure chests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owfin View Post
    No, I got your example. I was reacting to your friend's argument.
    I see what you're saying. The irrationality of the guy, who has a strong Si dom, makes me want to fly into a tizzy. Recently however I found a way to bring him under control, for the time being.
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    i think i will do this list for myself and my ESFJ.

    me --

    S:
    Concrete
    Realistic
    Prize enjoyment
    Aware of current trends
    Lives in the present
    Often use straight talk
    Aware of surroundings
    Notices details
    Often like crime novels
    Practical
    Factual
    Observation over imagination
    Often content with status quo
    Make things happen
    Loyal to friends

    N:
    Future-focused
    Sees possibilities
    Prize inspiration
    Aware of own inspiration
    Introspective about the past
    Often use difficult words
    Flighty ideas
    Imaginative
    Often dislike crime novels
    Reflects but does not always do
    Theoretical
    Imagination over observation
    Often restless with status quo
    Contemplate things
    See both sides

    him --

    S:
    Concrete
    Realistic
    Prize enjoyment
    Aware of current trends
    Lives in the present
    Often use straight talk
    Aware of surroundings
    Notices details
    Often like crime novels
    Practical
    Factual
    Observation over imagination
    Often content with status quo
    Make things happen
    Loyal to friends

    N:
    Future-focused
    Sees possibilities
    Prize inspiration
    Aware of own inspiration
    Introspective about the past
    Often use difficult words
    Flighty ideas
    Imaginative
    Often dislike crime novels
    Reflects but does not always do
    Theoretical
    Imagination over observation
    Often restless with status quo
    Contemplate things
    See both sides

    conclusion:

    the real differences between us lie in terms of focus and attentiveness. he is highly present-focused and attuned to the ambient environment. i am highly future-focused and attuned to the conceptual realm.

    we are both imaginative, contemplative, dissatisfied with the status quo, practical (i am e6, after all), linguistically sophisticated, motivated by short-term enjoyment, open to multiple sides of issues, and loyal to our friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    When I look at that picture, not a single abstract thought comes to mind. It's just a tower. Yet I relate more to the N characteristics than S. In general, I don't make very many random associations, yet I'm not exactly living in the present and paying attention to my surroundings either; I daydream all the time. Would that make me S or N?
    You sound like an SJ that has strong N. S doesn't equal 'living in the present'. That's Pe (either Se or Ne.) SJ's live in the past and NJ's in the future/realm of distinct possibilities (as distinguished from the shallow, mostly grounded possibilities of Ne (e.g. a wonderland that's realistic in many ways but has rainbow colors or schnoz-berries or something.).)

    If you're an SJ, maybe you daydream because you're dissatisfied with where you have ended up in life.
    "... you think deeply about stuff [that] nobody cares about and hardly anybody can understand you." ~ Peguy talking about Ni users. So true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1207 View Post
    You sound like an SJ that has strong N. S doesn't equal 'living in the present'. That's Pe (either Se or Ne.) SJ's live in the past and NJ's in the future/realm of distinct possibilities (as distinguished from the shallow, mostly grounded possibilities of Ne (e.g. a wonderland that's realistic in many ways but has rainbow colors or schnoz-berries or something.).)

    If you're an SJ, maybe you daydream because you're dissatisfied with where you have ended up in life.
    I don't know, I could be SJ. But I've been daydreaming for as long as I can remember, and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with where I ended up in life. Some people just daydream more than others, particularly INFP's, I think.

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    I daydream all the time. Sometimes I just go into total Si mode, watching images of the past slide and slip into each other to crazy tangents.
    I don't see any invisible treasure chests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owfin View Post
    I daydream all the time. Sometimes I just go into total Si mode, watching images of the past slide and slip into each other to crazy tangents.
    Isn't there more to it than daydreaming? Is there a feeling-state accompanying the play of images? (For example, nostalgia.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    When I look at that picture, not a single abstract thought comes to mind. It's just a tower. Yet I relate more to the N characteristics than S. In general, I don't make very many random associations, yet I'm not exactly living in the present and paying attention to my surroundings either; I daydream all the time. Would that make me S or N?
    Everybody daydreams, it depends on the content. Consider someone who daydreams about making more money and achieving success, versus daydreaming about galaxies colliding, or unicorns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Isn't there more to it than daydreaming? Is there a feeling-state accompanying the play of images? (For example, nostalgia.)
    Well, any feelings I feel while daydreaming are my own present judgements. Like "This was good", "This was bad", "This was incredibly stupid". I go off and daydream new things, but when I do that it is my own present voice saying my thoughts, not images.
    I don't see any invisible treasure chests.

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