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    Default Why Ps tend to see the world in "maybes"

    I had a "realization" earlier today so I thought I would try to post it here, for people to discuss/criticise. It's probably either obvious or wrong, lol

    So, I had an idea as to why Ps tend to view things as maybes.

    I think Ps tend to think in terms of "Maybe it's like this, maybe it's like that, maybe I will do X, Y, or Z..." etc. It's not very certain. Unless the P in question applies judgement -- then I think we can be certain of things (e.g. being certain that X is the correct/right decision).

    I think it would be different for Ji doms (IP) and Pe doms (EP), with IPs applying more judgement and EPs thinking more in terms of maybes.

    That much I think is obvious. As always, if you disagree, please respond.

    The realization was regarding WHY Ps look at the world in maybes:

    Dependencies. Everything seems dependent on everything else to fully make sense. In order to understand something fully, it seems to me that I have to also understand EVERYTHING else. And given that I don't understand everything at present, and that I probably CAN'T understand everything even if I tried, I have to view the things I would otherwise say I "know" as maybes. This means that what J types might consider "facts", the P is forced to view as possibilities -- even if a possibility with a very high probability of being true -- such that the probability that it's untrue is negligible. Yet, it's still a possibility, not a "fact".

    But in the meantime it's like everything new that I learn unlocks a piece of the puzzle, and if I were to learn everything (which I won't) it will all stitch together perfectly to make a coherent, consistent whole.

    But until we can fully understand everything, we cannot claim to have fully understood any one thing... and what remains only partially understood is a "maybe" in the mind of a P. So everything remains a "maybe".

    And this is my working hypothesis as to why we Ps tend to view the world in "maybes" while Js tend to see things more definitively.

    (It may not be true for all Ps, even though it is true for me. But if it's not true for most Ps, then I'd think it's not type related. lol)

    It would also explain why I (and maybe others) have problems explaining things from the ground up. To explain one thing fully, I'd have to explain everything else! More realistically, to explain one thing to the best of my knowledge, I'd have to explain all closely related concepts, which is still a pretty large set.

    So yeah, perhaps that's why you see all these people writing walls of text... it really is that hard to explain things without making reference to all sorts of other things we determine are somehow related.

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    I can definitely relate to this realisation.

    Not knowing everything (besides, how does one even know it's everything???) is the reason why I constantly use the words "maybe", "potential", "probably", "possible", "likely", "perhaps" etc in all their variations.

    Re: explaining things from the ground up
    Yep definitely! I'd rather have people ask me questions than me telling them things. I wouldn't know where to start, where to stop.

    I will some ponder more and maybe add more later.

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    I like it (at least right now I do)!

    I am the queen of maybes.... I am not sure I could go through with marriage because I couldn't maybe my way out of the vows.

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    My life has become easier since I dared to make decisions. I dont think that "deciding" is so much related to p or j at all, but I think that p or j's have different preconditions for developing strength in that department.

    I came to know with age that deciding means to compromise to settle for one opinion and with that develop something progressive. So the phase of "could be, could be not" basically ended for me when I passed the age of 25. In the real world indecisiveness doesnt get you very far, if you want to achieve a responsible position in your working environment.

    Pness nowadays isnt so much about "maybe" for me no more, but about flexibility of opinion and your decisions. I go by the idea: every decision thast can be changed easily is a good one.

    I have learnt that having an opinion means actually to take on responsibility for a thing or idea and given the vast amount of ideas there are out there, one has to settle for some and try things out to at least have some sort of progress. I think this is a lesson all P's need to learn at some point in their lifes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I am the queen of maybes.... I am not sure I could go through with marriage because I couldn't maybe my way out of the vows.
    If you are the queen then "perhaps" I'm the king

    Perceivers may be prone to being more indecisive because their decisions (made with Ji) are often changing, and they're not firm with them. Perceivers are most firm with informative communications. Another possibility: lack of proper knowledge in a topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    My life has become easier since I dared to make decisions. I dont think that "deciding" is so much related to p or j at all, but I think that p or j's have different preconditions for developing strength in that department.

    I came to know with age that deciding means to compromise to settle for one opinion and with that develop something progressive. So the phase of "could be, could be not" basically ended for me when I passed the age of 25. In the real world indecisiveness doesnt get you very far, if you want to achieve a responsible position in your working environment.

    Pness nowadays isnt so much about "maybe" for me no more, but about flexibility of opinion and your decisions. I go by the idea: every decision thast can be changed easily is a good one.

    I have learnt that having an opinion means actually to take on responsibility for a thing or idea and given the vast amount of ideas there are out there, one has to settle for some and try things out to at least have some sort of progress. I think this is a lesson all P's need to learn at some point in their lifes.
    QFT. Indeed a lot of perceivers (especially the extreme perceivers like us), don't like to be settled, and that is a big factor in our sounding reluctant.

    Now the problem is how to deal with those extreme Js who are not only firm, but you try time and again and they will still not change their decision. They might not even try to convince you why they settled on said decision. They have a lesson to learn from Ps: it's OK to be open ended and "un-decide", and in fact, will make you a better person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thinkist View Post
    QFT. Indeed a lot of perceivers (especially the extreme perceivers like us), don't like to be settled, and that is a big factor in our sounding reluctant.

    Now the problem is how to deal with those extreme Js who are not only firm, but you try time and again and they will still not change their decision. They might not even try to convince you why they settled on said decision. They have a lesson to learn from Ps: it's OK to be open ended and "un-decide", and in fact, will make you a better person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strychnine View Post
    it's like everything new that I learn unlocks a piece of the puzzle, and if I were to learn everything (which I won't) it will all stitch together perfectly to make a coherent, consistent whole.

    But until we can fully understand everything, we cannot claim to have fully understood any one thing... and what remains only partially understood is a "maybe" in the mind of a P. So everything remains a "maybe".[...] it really is that hard to explain things without making reference to all sorts of other things we determine are somehow related.


    Pe expands. our worlds are ever-expanding. unlike Pi, which reduces. both aim towards One eventually, but we are working outward towards the Whole, while they are working inwards towards the Singularity. it makes our lives harder in that we have trouble deciding, yet easier in that we are more open to change.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinkist View Post
    Perceivers may be prone to being more indecisive because their decisions (made with Ji) are often changing, and they're not firm with them. Perceivers are most firm with informative communications.
    indeed. and to dive further into that, because we seek the "heart" of the decision, instead of its external measure via Fe or Te. so while others may see "change" outwardly, we are remaining steady in our Ji values.

    for example, my SO recently explained to me that he could not understand why sometimes i "snapped" at him sometimes. what we learned together while talking is he would do something mildly offensive to me, but i would hold off on saying anything until he reached my "tipping point" of "this is my life/body/space and you are infringing upon my rights". to him it seemed like it was inconsistent when i would say something, but to me it was highly consistent - but based on internal measure.

    as such we are "indecisive" to the external world, because we are being asked to make Te and Fe decisions, when we are wired to make Ti and Fi decisions. whereas a J's internal landscape is much less consistent, as it changes with Pi.

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    Things change over time and possibilities depend on these things that change. P(Ne/Se) is about keeping the eyes open for things changing(rather than seeing static things) and N is about concentrating on the possibilities(rather than facts(S)).
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