INFJ's; creatures of extremes?

[Wanderer]

So... I took the test here:
http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...rices/51906-new-mbti-test-online-try-out.html

and got what I expected - INFJ.
http://www.celebritytypes.com/infj.htm

Then I started looking through the list of famous INFJ's..

..and found people like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Aquinas, Gandhi..
Right next to Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, and Marilyn Manson.

WTF.

Someone explain this to me.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Lol @ op. We're srs bsns.

(Really though, pissing us off really is kind of serious business.)

 

[SilkRoad]

I have serious doubts about the Hitler thing. And I don't just say that because I'm an INFJ. Well, partly, but not entirely. And how the heck do they know what Osama Bin Laden is when he only ever seemed to come off as a caricature villain? Really not too sure what the man behind the mask would have been like.

[MENTION=7842]Z Buck McFate[/MENTION] is right about how pissing us off has serious consequences, though. When I saw your post, what went through my head was how I can be the most loyal and tolerant friend imaginable, but if things go wrong and I feel it necessary to totally cut you off (either because of repeated and unacceptable issues that I've patiently tried to work through, or else because of some real or imagined issue that presents me with what I feel to be an untenable situation), I will be colder about it than most people could imagine. (While hurting like heck inside, of course.)

 

[Southern Kross]

Some of those are possible mistypes. Jefferson is often typed INTX, as is Marylin Manson, and I've seen Bin Laden labelled a range of types, including INFP.

In terms of extreme INFJs, the ones I could possibly believe:

Jesus
Gandhi
Martin Luther King Jr. (although I'm still not entirely convinced he's a introvert)
Mother Theresa
Nelson Mandela
Florence Nightingale

Hitler
Grand Ayatollah Khomeini
Bin Laden (again, I'm not sure on him)


I suppose you could say famous INFJs combine charisma and a passionate ideology. This combination is crucial because it explains not only why the are so value driven but also why people find their views so utterly compelling. Their ideas are lofty and they are very actively involved in realising them, rather than simply advocating change and remaining hands off. They are also not just focused on small improvements - they want to destroy the old system and bring about a new, more righteous system.

With these aspects in mind it's not hard to see why this could result in extremes of behaviour and ideology. It's interesting though, that all the above INFJs genuinely wanted to help people. The not so nice ones did what they did with good intentions, rather than feigning belief in an ideology, merely seeking power for themselves and killing people out of spite (unlike many other infamous leaders). I suppose it's not much consolation, though.

 

[OrangeAppled]

It's simply a matter of a stubborn vision (Ni), but also the capacity to influence others (Fe). That can go good or bad. Oh wait - SouthernKross just said that much more nicely

I think ENFJ is possible for some of those also.... I think Bin Laden is ISFJ (why are these guys always Ns?!).

 

[Such Irony]

I think Bin Laden is ISFJ (why are these guys always Ns?!).

Why ISFJ?

 

[typologywhore]

Ja, what Southern-Kross and OA said.

Personally I do definitely see INFJ for Hitler. (Don't feel sure enough about Bin Laden to comment on him.)

And Marilyn Manson's ABSOLUTELY INFJ 4[so/sp?]! May seem odd/unlikely on the surface 'cos of the whole wannabeESTP persona going on, but read some interviews, really listen to his lyrics (which are laden with oblique!symbolic!Ni, creating a highly complex and unique framework of meaning), and it comes through like anything.

 

[OrangeAppled]

Why ISFJ?

I read some brief bio about him, focusing on what he was like in his childhood, and it just screamed Si-dom with a nice dose of Fe. Sorry, I don't remember details or facts...

 

[Spurgeon]

So... I took the test here:
http://www.typologycentral.com/foru...rices/51906-new-mbti-test-online-try-out.html

and got what I expected - INFJ.
http://www.celebritytypes.com/infj.htm

Then I started looking through the list of famous INFJ's..

..and found people like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Aquinas, Gandhi..
Right next to Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler, and Marilyn Manson.

WTF.

Someone explain this to me.

Can I answer this in the "Brutal Honesty Thread"?

 

[Wanderer]

Can I answer this in the "Brutal Honesty Thread"?

Have at! just quote me and answer it there; I may not be able to respond 'til tomorrow though - if a response is warranted that is.

 

[Spurgeon]

Have at! just quote me and answer it there; I may not be able to respond 'til tomorrow though - if a response is warranted that is.

Hmmm...on second thought, I'm not sure I want to make a bunch of enemies--especially INFJ ones. I might end up in an oven.

Maybe I'll keep it to myself.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Hmmm...on second thought, I'm not sure I want to make a bunch of enemies--especially INFJ ones. I might end up in an oven.

Maybe I'll keep it to myself.

:chicken:

 

[Spurgeon]

:chicken:

Yeah. I'm scared of INFJs. No joke.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

Yeah. I'm scared of INFJs. No joke.

Why?

 

[Spurgeon]

Why?

That's why.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

That's why.

Hitler was an enfj. It's already been debated on here.

But most infjs are not Hitler-like. So, again, why?

 

[SilkRoad]

But most infjs are not Hitler-like. So, again, why?

Maybe he thinks that most INFJs ARE Hitler-like...?

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

I never knew an entp to resist a discussion.

 

[Spurgeon]

Hitler was an enfj. It's already been debated on here.

But most infjs are not Hitler-like. So, again, why?

It's only a theory, but I suspect that xNFJs are the worst people to mess with or offend. (And they might be the easiest to offend, which makes it even scarier.)

It seems like they could and would utterly destroy your reputation and make you an utter pariah--completely cast out of the camp forever--if you crossed them enough.

Again, It's only a theory (Or maybe just an irrational fear of mine). I don't have much to base it on, really.

I'm really sorry if any of that is offensive to you.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

lol.

I don't think we are easy to offend at all. We usually (excuse me fellow infjs if you don't agree with my collective use of infjs here) give people numerous benefits of the doubt, which also usually results in something of our own demise, before we would wreak havoc on someone else (even if it deserved). And even then, we'd probably be more likely to walk away than see the other person's reputation or life hurt in any way.


Sounds like you are thinking of some T type. Or perhaps a very unhealthy infj...


Why do you think this way? And, no offense, but you don't seem like an entp to me. Are you sure you are?