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    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    If examples are the most effective way to communicate, aren't they actually a pretty mature thing to use? What would be better--perhaps analogies and metaphors, or perhaps not worrying about communicating at all?
    Maybe I was just referring to myself. It's easy to juxtapose examples (S) to illustrate conceptual distinctions (Ni) than it is to outright interpret them (Ti) for me.
    "... you think deeply about stuff [that] nobody cares about and hardly anybody can understand you." ~ Peguy talking about Ni users. So true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    They say that N's aren't interested in details. From what I've suspected, Ni seems to have a very keen interest in them, they bring all the details together to reach the one "true answer." No detail is unimportant- everything like goes into their reservoir of information. It seems like people who I suspect are Ni doms and auxs couldn't do what they do without some level of focus on the small things.

    True or false? Elaborate.
    I think that all those attempts to attribute details/big picture thinking to a poticular function are misguided. I don't think the functions work like that. Ni is concerned with the need for certainty of understanding. That is, a strong Ni user feels a need to make sure they know what is happening, what might happen and why, before they feel comfortable making a decision. How much details is needed to reach a point were they feel they have achieved that level of understanding will vary from one person to the next. Actually, I prersonally feel that concocting some huge, sweeping theory without ever checking to see if it matches reality is foolish - but that is a outside function theory. It doesn't predict competance or common sense.
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    I don't have much more to add except to say that Ni detail-orientedness would have to involve a healthy relationship with its inferior Extraverted Sensing. Sensing does not direct the thinking process, on the contrary, sometimes it gets in the way of Ni creativity and so it must be kept under control. An Ni obsession with, or at least a great interest in, details arises from this. But they play a subservient role in the creative process, and sometimes they only play a trivial role in the Ni lifestyle, such as memorizing movie facts and other trivial matters. An intense interest in a challenging sensory puzzle such as a Rubik's Cube might develop.
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    When your head runs big your greatest fear is missing on a detail. Especially when building a circuit or mechanical device, just the forgetfulness of one small detail can provoke a chain reaction that does destroy the whole effort in a second. This fear can turn into obsession, I know it first hand
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    Actually, I prersonally feel that concocting some huge, sweeping theory without ever checking to see if it matches reality is foolish - but that is a outside function theory.
    It actually isn't. Introverted functions constantly check for internal relevance at the cost of external relevance and vice versa. Checking for external relevance is outside the scope of introverted functions by definition.

    But I agree with the rest of your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    When your head runs big your greatest fear is missing on a detail. Especially when building a circuit or mechanical device, just the forgetfulness of one small detail can provoke a chain reaction that does destroy the whole effort in a second. This fear can turn into obsession, I know it first hand
    That's one major reason why I never got into that kind of profession or hobby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1207 View Post
    Maybe I was just referring to myself. It's easy to juxtapose examples (S) to illustrate conceptual distinctions (Ni) than it is to outright interpret them (Ti) for me.
    And as an ISTP, it's just the reverse: I build up to Ni via Se rather than use Se to prove what "big picture" Ni may bring up like NJs do.

    I wonder if this applies to other SPs as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    They say that N's aren't interested in details. From what I've suspected, Ni seems to have a very keen interest in them, they bring all the details together to reach the one "true answer." No detail is unimportant- everything like goes into their reservoir of information. It seems like people who I suspect are Ni doms and auxs couldn't do what they do without some level of focus on the small things.

    True or false? Elaborate.
    False. Sometimes even NPs may have a need to focus on details. It's just a different form of details (Si, rather than Se, which may seem a little haywire to the processes of an NP).

    Here's how it works:
    Se→Ni: details for the big picture, which is often fixed
    Si→Ne: fixed details for the big picture, which often varies
    In either case, one detail could change the big picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    That's one major reason why I never got into that kind of profession or hobby.
    You shouldnt ignore that option completly. When the device works later its better than porn / real woman (substitute for convenience )
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    You shouldnt ignore that option completly. When the device works later its better than porn / real woman (substitute for convenience )
    I get that from computer repairs.
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