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    Quote Originally Posted by thealchemist View Post
    I'm still trying to imagine what it must be like to people on the receiving end. I'm glad you enjoy the Ne-trips. I can't stop thinking of Ne as a sort of drug.



    OH! My sister is an INFJ and when she's telling us something, she usually does exactly what you've described.

    On the other hand, I give a brief summary and wait for questions. I'm better at responding to questions than at just "telling" it because I wouldn't know where to start and will probably go into a zillion tangents. Ideally, I'd use charts (flow charts most probably) to express things.
    Ideally I'd use essays to explain my thoughts! Written communication tends to flow much nicer than verbal for me. I get my thoughts organized better.

    I think if there was a musical comparison to Ne vs. Ni... here's what would come close:

    Ne:
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXNrDrdsWGI"]Who's Afraid of (The Art of Noise[/YOUTUBE]
    Tossing all sorts of musical and sonic ideas back and forth to create a central message.

    Ni:
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNOXTSuZN4"]Theme of Secrets[/YOUTUBE]
    A mental journey type of song.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    To me, it seeeeems like Ne is more easily articulate than Ni, but I've also seen some very articulate Ni explanations. It may just be that I understand Ne better (and therefore it seems more articulate to me) because it's my own thought process.

    And as was mentioned in the Ne vs Ni thread a few months ago, Ne seems more likely to sum things up, while Ni seems more likely to write walls of text.

    I'd be interested to learn about how Ni people experience Ne communication.


    I also have a question for both Ne and Ni people. Are you better at expanding on things, or summing things up?

    It might not be related to Ne vs Ni, though. I'm definitely better at summing things up or summarizing things than I am at expanding on things, while I know a couple of ENFPs who are better at expanding on things and have trouble editing things down.
    I find it easier to expand than summarize. There's always something to add, some new angle to think about and consider. With summarizing, I'm worried that maybe I'm omitting something that could be important.

    I think Ne tends to expand while Ni tends to summarize. Ne considers all the different angles and "what about this?" Its harder for Ne to come to a definitive conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I find it easier to expand than summarize. There's always something to add, some new angle to think about and consider. With summarizing, I'm worried that maybe I'm omitting something that could be important.

    I think Ne tends to expand while Ni tends to summarize. Ne considers all the different angles and "what about this?" Its harder for Ne to come to a definitive conclusion.
    Ah OK, I think I agree with you by your definition of "expand" on things, which is different than what I originally had in mind. You're referring to a number of angles vs fewer angles. I prefer covering all the angles, also.

    However, what I originally meant by "expanding" was going into more depth about one thing. @Peguy pointed out that Ne is about breadth and Ni is about depth, which would explain why Ne can summarize while Ni prefers to go into depth.

    Also, @Saturned pointed out to me in a rep that Ti often can create information-dense summaries. That's true for me, my summaries tend to be very dense and concise.

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    So if Ne is like a hydra, is Ni like Cartman's trapper keeper that keeps assmiliating everything to itself until it's unstoppable - well until it assimilates Rosie O'Donnell?

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    Ne: Maybe this , maybe that , or maybe it is something completely different


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    As a Ni-aux, when communicating with a Ne dom in anything serious, I don't waste time following their rabbit hole arguments. They're just distractions from the main discussion.

    This.




    However there are a few things about me that seems to constantly frustrate Ne uses .

    1. They are frustated with my thinking on the long run and making of specific plans about it. Especially since I never just go around following my impulses and wishes.




    2. When I go after their Si. Especially since I constantly change the meaning of "something" and I dont care about definitions at all. The only thing that I am interesed is impact/consequence. And it is vital that it is described in space and time since without that the real impact cant be known.

    Also I dont place that much weight on experiance and arguments about how someone has lived through something. That doesnt ring too many bells in me. Especially since context can completely change the point of the story for me.




    3. I talk less than a typical Ne user. Plus I prefere not to have long informative conversations most of the time. (unless it is about some abstract/bizare topics)
    So in the end I have a feeling that most of the time Ne user does not know that I am thinking and where I stand. Especially since only a small change in detail and goals can cause complete perspective shift.

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    I always kind of saw my Ne as a web, but at the core is self. It kind of reminds me of a city with many roads close to home, but as you go farther away the roads become fewer until you are on to dirt roads and dead ends. My studies tend to focus on paving new roads or building new connections. When in conversation, any leaping I may do is not at all random. It is almost like discovering a new method for paving, but only on (say) sand. Each of the roads in which it is applicable, it is applied. I suppose Neing it is more like connecting various roadways. (Hope this helps)

    Edit: I got caught up and forgot to answer the question. Interacting with Ni users makes me feel like I KNOW very little. They seem to know what they know, while I feel I can only really say what I know when a particular event I can associate it to arises. I may know that being hydrated increases metabolism by 37%, but it is almost like unconscious knowledge until someone is talking about losing weight or something in the ballpark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousFeeling View Post
    Ni:
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNOXTSuZN4"]Theme of Secrets[/YOUTUBE]
    A mental journey type of song.
    I downloaded this one. The other was pure madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I find it easier to expand than summarize. There's always something to add, some new angle to think about and consider. With summarizing, I'm worried that maybe I'm omitting something that could be important.

    I think Ne tends to expand while Ni tends to summarize. Ne considers all the different angles and "what about this?" Its harder for Ne to come to a definitive conclusion.
    Its Pe functions that expand and Pi functions that summarize.

    The problem with summarizing with Ni is that its often too vague and missing some important stuff. But thats just when Se is undifferentiated, because Ni summarizing needs Se to expand so that the person doesent forget to expand the communication with 'what is', something factual, so that it makes some sense to believe what the Ni type is trying to say.

    Ne expanding on the other hand can start wandering around the topic and even change the topic on the fly and possibly returning to it later(that is if the other person didnt lose your train of thought ages ago and i terrupt you). So Ne needs Si to summarize, leave out the unrelated stuff(or stuff that could be explained in shorter terms) and keep the topic to 'what is'.

    Oh and i do better job at expanding than summarizing, but i can summarize very effectively if i put my mind to it, but it needs some effort to do.
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    Call me dumb but I just don't understand what the difference it. I'm trying to think of family/friends that are ENFJ to think of how their intuition works but I don't get it. What is the main difference? Do you have a video? I just need a practical demonstration like a hammer needs my head right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkgraffiti View Post
    Call me dumb but I just don't understand what the difference it. I'm trying to think of family/friends that are ENFJ to think of how their intuition works but I don't get it. What is the main difference? Do you have a video? I just need a practical demonstration like a hammer needs my head right now.
    Ne(and other E functions) add to object, sort of like animate it with whats inside the self and Ni(and other I functions) remove what seems unneccesary.

    Easy way to think of all functions is to think them as principles of adding and removing to/from object. This object can be anything from single thought to group of people. For N the principle would be possibility over time. S would be principle of fact. T would be principle of logic. And F principle of worth.
    So Si for example would remove what seems unrelated or unneccesary to the object according to principle of fact. Ne would add to some object according to principle of possibility over time. And naturally Si and Ne work together in NP and SJ types, its just that other one of these ways of perceiving is more unconscious unless you have developed it.
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