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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    If a person prefers all of the functions equally, and the Jungian functions are the only means of interpreting reality, then at best, that person would be more flexible in using functions. However, since functions aren't the only means of interpreting reality, and because reality doesn't conform to functions, a person wouldn't necessarily be more able to deal with reality if they were literally neutral in preference.
    Neutrality is not the same as apathy, if that's how you interpreted it; and using the functions (i.e. introversion) is as a result of circumstances, in particular *tough* circumstances, which lead you to become (and also, feel) introverted. Being 0% in introversion, and extroversion, is *NOT* a null function. That's just how I defined it because introversion and extroversion are on a continuum. It is definitely a function; and one in the purest form, and if a person is on that point, it simply means he or she performed in 'things' properly, such that he or she hadn't resulted in emotions that create feelings of worry, regret, obsession, neglect, apathy, etc, which then lead to sin, and waste the person. [I just can't explain it at my best right now; so I apologise if any of that didn't make sense.]

    The point is; the type neutral to all the rest is the only type, which is going anywhere, effortlessly. All of the rest of the types need to put effort if they are to go anywhere in life as cleanly as the former. It is the type of perfection; a true all-rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Doesn't it depend on the reality in question?

    Soldier in combat
    Teenage victim of incest
    Man dying of cancer

    These are very different realities.
    This +100.

    The ESTJs I know, they're great at school and in the workplace. But they'd crack at the seams, were they to be bedridden/get a terminal disease/deal with massive emotional upheaval. The ones that I've seen don't have the equipment for it. Life throws curveballs out at everyone, but they're better at doing the things that they expect, not catching the curveballs.

    On the flip side, ESTPs I know are fantastic on the fly. But they have this bad tendency to want to know "why" or do things for shits and giggles that might put them at a disadvantage when it comes to paying the bills.

    It just boils down to a question of "what's your reality"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uncommonentity View Post
    Every type has their weaknesses so there's really no answer.

    When it comes to being 'normal'

    E helps over I
    S helps over N
    T helps over F
    P helps over J

    In my opinion.
    That's what I was afraid of. (Says an INFJ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Doesn't it depend on the reality in question?

    Soldier in combat
    Teenage victim of incest
    Man dying of cancer

    These are very different realities.
    Yeah, reality often sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I don't know. If I'm really ISTP, then I failed at some of that. Not that this was the only issue, but I had a lot of problems handling anger when younger, for example. And I've come to believe that's a requirement for reality. I remember how the advice I'd get when growing up would always be along the lines of how I wasn't being realistic. "You can't do that." "You can't just punch someone", for example. I was told I was wrong on many things to the point that I was forced to see counselors. That's a good enough sign that I wasn't adjusting.. to everyone else's reality at least.
    You aren't exactly your run of the mill istp. When I think about things like this I just work from the stereotype. It seems to me that the istp stereotype sits in a comfortable place in regards to dealing with reality. Pragmatic, not to relationship oriented but not bothered by it either. Seems a comfortable road to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    You aren't exactly your run of the mill istp. When I think about things like this I just work from the stereotype. It seems to me that the istp stereotype sits in a comfortable place in regards to dealing with reality. Pragmatic, not to relationship oriented but not bothered by it either. Seems a comfortable road to me.
    I think I am, when it comes to descriptions at least. Seems like anger issues are common.

    When it comes to being some fictional pornstar with severe Autism and action hero skills.. then yeah, I'm not an ISTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I think I am, when it comes to descriptions at least. Seems like handling anger is common.

    When it comes to being some fictional pornstar with severe Autism and action hero skills.. then yeah, I'm not an ISTP.
    Yeah, that was the istp I was talking about... the second one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Yeah, that was the istp I was talking about... the second one.
    The funny thing is is that my friends do think I should have tried to get into porn (god knows why???), and I've tested the police enough in high speed car chases that I had 8 of them after me once. It ended in true cinematic fashion with my face slammed on my hood and a gun pointed to my head. I've done these things, and yet, still refuse to give the impression that I'm an "action hero". Because it's all bullshit. Mad Max and Indiana Jones aren't what any real people are like.

    Tbh, I identify with a lot of female istps. They seem exempt from these expectations.

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    I want an Indiana Jones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenaphor View Post
    I want an Indiana Jones.
    I thought about archeology once, but then when I found out you had to reach PhD to do anything interesting, I gave up - even having a Masters is gruntwork. And even when you finally made it up to that level, there's one decripit PhD leading dozens below him. And he never dies. He lives until he's 500 years old and becomes an archaelogical exhibit in his own right.

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