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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I do know it's one of the reasons. I don't find "Was That Really Me?" very difficult to comprehend. You'll say I've latched onto the "Fe" examples. But what I want to know is how the inferior function passes on its unconscious content to the tertiary.
    Well the only asnwer i can give for that is that brains use action potentials to communicate info from a neuron to neuron. But if its the case of undifferentiated function(which inferior quite often is) passing its info to differentiated function(which tert not always is), is throught projections, instincts, dreams etc to which we react with our conscious processes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Well the only asnwer i can give for that is that brains use action potentials to communicate info from a neuron to neuron. But if its the case of undifferentiated function(which inferior quite often is) passing its info to differentiated function(which tert not always is), is throught projections, instincts, dreams etc to which we react with our conscious processes.
    Isn't that kind of answer about neurons just materialism which forms the basis in psychology for behaviorism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    No. That sounds logical enough.

    This is what I found exception to: Your post on Page 1:



    That. And I've always had issue with that with others that speak like that about functions. Several do it on here and I'm not sure where you guys learn it.....? Chained functions across the Conscious Divide? Rational functions controlling other rational functions?

    I was pretty sure Jung said we have a dominant, highly preferred function, and the rest were basically inferior. I don't see them controlling each other. I see the dominant controlling, or bending them, to its will as needed; or the dominant getting bent toward the opposite orientation in a highly chronic stress environment, but not really any others than that.

    You can handle Fe, just like I can handle Ti.

    Plus F is F and T is T. It is hard to know where Fe ends and Fi begins; they likely work together often and we just can't zero in very easily on every nuance of thought or action we have....
    When im talking about functions chaining to others, im not saying that its a permanent condition(even tho it happens quite often, more often than people realize), but dependant on the situation/whats being processed. These chains happen because we project our unconscious images (created by undifferentiated functions in combination with complexes in these cases) and process them with our conscious functions.

    This Fe controlling Ti is a result of Fe images are being projected and sending instincts to consciousness saying "think of this/this is important" etc, to which the differentiated functions are forced to react(that is if the instincts are strong enough that they cant be pushed back into unconscious).

    Now when my Ti for example was reacting to my Fe this way, it looked like Fi, simply because i was unaware of my Fe projecting stuff to one person and tried to handle this Fe projection using T in introverted attitude. It wasnt that i was trying to make an introverted feeling judgment, i was trying to make introverted thinking judgment. Basically i made an unconscious Fe judgment about a persons worth to me, which i saw as her real value, but the whole situation(and this worth of her to me which i perceived) didnt make any sense to me, so i tried to abstract from her value using Ti. Now when you are trying to use T for F value judgment, it will naturally look as if you were doing F evaluation and because introversion is my most differentiated attitude in judgment, the thing that looks like F is in introverted attitude, but this introversion/abstraction is done by using T on F matter, so its not Fi what comes out of this, it just looks like Fi. That beebes demonic 8th function description gives a perfect description about how the whole thing progressed, but assumes that its Fi, just like those function tests.

    On that last bold part, i think i should had said, that it was Ti that i tried to use control my Fe. Naturally this doesent work if the instinct coming from inferior is strong enough.

    Rational function can only push the opposite into unconscious and that way get a control over it. This "battle" between dom and tert is what jung called tension between the opposites(but that opposites thing can be used on other stuff unrelated to typology also).
    I suggest reading this: http://www.nyaap.org/jung-lexicon/t/...endentFunction

    And the resolution for this is tert function: http://www.nyaap.org/jung-lexicon/t/#tertium

    And the funny thing is that(before me reading jung) when i had this Fe problem, i thought it was Fi, what got me out of it was realization about the subjectivity of my Si. With this also came the realization that i was using FeTi all along, not Fi. I consciously perceived 'what is'(S) inside me(I) and could see that this Fe thing was just a projection and realized how little in fact i know this person afterall, started seeing all these things that made her sooo sweet and lovliest person in the world in totally different light. And only then was able to start differentiating my Fe, because i needed an differentiated Si to control it, instead just fighting back at it with Ti. Even tho this happened nearly 2 years ago, i still remember the moment really vividly, it was like waking up from a dream.

    Anyways, jung is right about typology and MBTI/keirsey/whatevers suck balls
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Actually this is false, jung talks quite alot about undifferentiated functions mixing together in 'psychological types'

    Fusion of the psychological functions, of thinking with feeling, feeling with sensation, feeling with intuition, and so on, is archaic, as is also the fusion of part of a function with its counterpart.["Definitions," CW 6, par. 684.]
    Functions are senses of meaning, that, as was once described to me, when undifferentiated are tied to the emotional responses to life, as mobilized by the dominant function.
    The opposite functional perspective is always implicit in a situation, because when we look at it through a function and orientation, we are in essence dividing the situation that in complete form consists of both tangible and conceptual (S/N), and technical and humane (T/F) aspects, which both emerge and vary, and can be stored or set in our memory (P/J).

    The orientation of the functions is generally set by the dominant orientation (i or e), but since the undifferentiated functions are "mixed together" (as you put it), then they can be paired with the opposite orientations. And it will be generally the archetypal complexes that produce the orientations.
    Even Quenk (Was Tat Really ME, p.40) cites Jung-Myers' approach as specifying that we are free to use each of the four functions in either attitude at times. We prefer one and suppress the other, but it still comes up from the unconscious a times. It is after all, not consciously controlled (and hence, usually associated with some stressful or negative situation). But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the person's psyche.
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