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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    da Vinci and Feynman were probably ENTjs....da Vinci maybe even ESTj. So yeah 50-50 among the geniuses, lol.
    Genius comes in many forms. I was just pointing out the folly in the professor's claim that Ti wasn't suitable for science.

    (I thought da Vinci and Feynman were well-known to be ENTP, but I could be wrong, and that's besides the point anyway.)

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    I agree with the point about Ti and Te being about exactly the same thing, just one extraverted (more fact-oriented and results driven) and one introverted (more defnition-oriented and understanding-driven). Basically the difference is that Te sees Ti as too slow and nitpicky to the point of irrelevance, and Ti sees Te as too hasty and superficial to the point of wrongness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    I agree with the point about Ti and Te being about exactly the same thing, just one extraverted (more fact-oriented and results driven) and one introverted (more defnition-oriented and understanding-driven). Basically the difference is that Te sees Ti as too slow and nitpicky to the point of irrelevance, and Ti sees Te as too hasty and superficial to the point of wrongness.
    That's my understanding of Ti and Te.
    How would you distinguish the preferences from the OP's original post? I definitely relate to one set over another.

    - X is more direct and outwardly focused
    - X will look for fallacies and be quick to point them out
    - Y will notice fallacies as well, but may be content to work with an imperfect system or theory
    - X may be more directly skeptical and hesitant to work with a flawed system
    - Y can half-accept a theory or system, making use of it while keeping in mind that the results may be inaccurate
    - X can half-accept a theory or system as well, but may prefer to refrain from using it until sufficient evidence is found to support it or until it is improved

    My theory is that both functions notice fallacies and can be skeptical, but they often express this in different ways that can best be explained through example.

    "I'm rather skeptical about this whole thing. For one, there's (insert logical fallacy here). Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be any evidence supporting this theory. If I were you, I wouldn't rely on this."
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    "Here's the problem with this that I see: (insert logical fallacy here). Still, I suppose we could make use of it anyways as long as we keep in mind that it may not be accurate. It does seem like it could still be useful."
    (I replaced the use of "Ti" and "Te" with X/Y because I think they were a distraction)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    It's a defining factor of Ti. It doesn't necessarily 'go'. It just 'analyses and concludes'.
    Ah, Te is far more about the results. How the system works bears less importance but Te will do what it should to get whatever works to work to get the results it wishes, whether or not it's fully understood. If you imagine a raging Te-dom boss who shouts at his employees to get things done even when there is a problem on the employee's part. The Te boss doesn't care what the problem is, he just wants his employees to do their part.
    A Ti-dom boss will probably look deeper into the issues to analyse the problems within the problems.
    +1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakysage View Post
    The Te boss doesn't care what the problem is, he just wants his employees to do their part.
    A Ti-dom boss will probably look deeper into the issues to analyse the problems within the problems.
    This is exactly why Ti is superior to Te.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    All things are always a product of the interconnection of the functions, so for example your behaviour shows that you are an intp cause you try to systematize a thing that is not categorisizeable.
    But isn't systemizing and categorizing the human personality what everyone here is trying to do?

    Anyway, I have an explanation that I'd like to test here.

    As both Ti and Te are considered to be Judging functions, I think it boils down to what Ti/Te judge to be important. In this case, it’s a matter of correctness versus efficiency (as has been mentioned several times in the thread).
    You can think of the Judging functions (Thinking, in this case) as the reason for a thought-process or action.

    An emphasis on Correctness (Ti) can mean:
    - Following a proven method to solve a problem because you think it can bring you the most correct/accurate results.
    - Creating your own method to solve a problem because you think it can bring you more correct/accurate results.
    - Categorizing and systemizing so that things make logical sense, first and foremost.

    An emphasis on Efficiency (Te) can mean:
    - Following a proven method to solve a problem because you think it can bring you the result more quickly/efficiently.
    - Creating your own method to solve a problem because you think it can bring you the result more quickly/efficiently.
    - Categorizing and systemizing so that things make practical sense, first and foremost.

    As you can see, Ti and Te can use the same thinking process, but each branch off of different motivations/roots.
    Remember, this is about preference - not ability.
    I can think of many example of how I've used Te, Se and Ni (uh, maybe not this one) before.

    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    So I've been reading Ti vs. Te threads, but the problem is I can't tell which function I relate to more. Maybe I'll post an example of my thought process, and someone can help clarify whether it's Ti or Te.

    Last year I had an interesting math class. There were only six people in the class (including myself), and there was a lot of flexibility with how you could solve problems, which I liked very much. If a method seemed too meticulous or annoying to me, I would often invent my own way to solve it, which often involved guess-and-check. I got pretty good doing at guess-and-check using the graphing function on my calculator. It saved me a lot of time and energy. Another thing is that I had a somewhat unique way of solving convergence/divergence problems. Instead of using the formulas like everyone else (I find following a long step-by-step process annoying), I would look at the function and estimate whether it converged or diverged by assigning approximate, greater than/less than values to the parts, and essentially learning the rules of the system. For example, (in a summation equation where x approaches infinity) x^x > x! > x^5 > 5. Therefore, a function like (x! + 5) / (x^5 + 7) would diverge because x! is greater than x^5, and the constants are irrelevant.

    I think this is Ti, but since I seem to have the wrong impression of Ti, I can't be sure. My classmates were mostly Te users (I think) who followed the formulas exactly and did all the steps the way they were supposed to, and I don't think they really understood my strange methods.
    Sorry if it seems like I’m picking on you, RevlisZero.

    If I use the explanation I wrote above, then the act of precisely following a formula doesn’t reveal whether one is using Ti or Te. I did find it interesting that your reason for using your own method was clearly because you found the other one too meticulous and inefficient. Perhaps the other students followed the formula because it has been proven to be accurate and flawless – and that’s all they needed. (Of course, it may also mean they haven’t understood the rules of the system as well as you have so would rather just use what they already know, but that’s a matter of ability, I believe – not preference.)
    For the record, I'm pretty sure I'm a Ti-user, and I'm absolutely sure I suck at Maths. I was always more of a History/Language person.

    Ti is nitpicky and meticulous at its very nature because it wants something to be accurate. Like @SuchIrony, I also like efficiency but would never compromise accuracy for efficiency...well, unless it was something I just didn't care about... Of course, Te can also be nitpicky...but not in the sense where they'd be willing to stay at Stage 1 for an "unnecessarily long time, wasting unnecessary effort".
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    Basically, Ti is much better than Te? There must be an advantage to Te, right? What is it?

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    About the effectiveness(not efficiency) versus correctness, I'd say those are indirectly caused outcomes when considering an actual person. Ti contributes to the 'tendency' of focusing on Correctness while Te contributes to the 'tendency' of a focus in efficiency. As a whole, aside from cognitive functions, what influences a person's focus is his/her values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizzy View Post
    But isn't systemizing and categorizing the human personality what everyone here is trying to do?
    Yea it is. I as a Ne-dominant will never understand categorizing or systemizing cause it destroys the big picture and takes things so much out of context that they loose all of their original meaning.
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    ^ wow, i'm also Ne dominant and I do tend to categorise, use common sense, etc. And I think it helps understand the big picture. Maybe there's something wrong with me or my typing...

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