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    After reading the last few pages, I would like to have babies with Nicodemus and Kalach.


    Great job btw, you two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Yes, I assumed, as you just assumed you knew what I was saying. There is no other way. If we do not allow ourselves to interpret other people's words, we can just as well stop speaking.
    Yes, indeed - good point that. Agreed.

    I did say 'I think', though, indicating the state of guessing I was in so that you would see both my interpretation of your words and that they did not pertain to the topic (had I interpreted them correctly).
    Interesting in that I hear your statement as a declarative, not as a question. I do think that a Te type is generally quite open when it comes to evaluating new information, but the statement seems definitive, and almost defies challenging.

    It is like you have come to this conclusion, "I think ..." and the rest of your judgement follows that part. It sounds ... more final than a question.

    Fe is not much different there, btw. "I feel ..." then add judgement. Again, it sounds final to my ears, and I know you all see it as more of a question, sort of, but it doesn't register that way with me.

    It was meant to stress the strangeness, not to insult. You know, English is not my first language.
    Yes, I am aware, and I didn't think you intended an insult, yet it did have the potential to look like one. Thanks for the clarification though, it is appreciated.
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Idealized Fe leadership to me is that you try to motivate the potential within your minions, what of course needs a lot of room for error in the beginning. Things Fe people in that regards have to learn is to recognize when its not possible to motivate someone any further, because he just doesnt want to be motivated. And to develop the ability to tell someone he has majorily fucked something up and doing that without being fogiving too quickly.
    +10

    This is very true in my case. I just hate to see one's potential wasted. It's much more difficult for me to empower Fi'ers as they tend to not wanting to be bossed. With Fe'ers I have no problem with this as we both tend to appreciate each other's wanting the best and believe in we all have many rooms for improvement and wanted to be push for motivation.

    Though I'm not sure about Fe'ers being forgiving easily though. I thought it's should be the other way around as Fi'ers tend to be more forgiving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I know you all see it as more of a question, sort of, but it doesn't register that way with me.
    Noted for future encounters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    Mock and ridicule come is a first order emotional response to those that do not understand, yet are annoyed because it seems to contradict a firm belief.
    Actually, that is just one possible manifestation of mocking and ridicule.

    Another possible manifestation is where an idiot is claiming all kinds of false knowledge, and those who actually know mock him for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    As @Nicodemus refreshingly admitted, people generally do not like to be wrong.
    Yes, but apparently you didn't realize that he was mocking you.

    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    If someone of no consequence and carrying no truth says things, as an INTJ I would simply ignore them.
    Actually, you are once again conflating two things that you should not be.

    That is fine that you would ignore them (which, in fact, by virtue of your response, you have not).

    But that is not what every INTJ would do, just because that's what you would (claim to) do.

    Frankly, I have ignored you, in a sense, in that your opinions are more-or-less irrelevant to me on this topic.

    But, ignoring the relevance of your opinions on this matter: if I still choose to mock you, then I will.

    There's nothing in the secret code of INTJhood that you (falsely) proclaim to possess that says an INTJ must do any different.

    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    As an actual INTJ I have zero interest in approach of others...
    Once again, a false conflation of what you do and what you think all INTJs should do.

    You do this a lot.

    Also, once again, you claim the above is what you do, but, by virtue of your response, you do the exact opposite.

    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    ...if someone is obnoxious or not its completely irrelevant to me, I'd listen to them by looking past that into the content. I have no emotional response to obnoxiousness.
    And, as I said before, have you been diagnosed with or ever considered the possibility that you have Asperger's?

    I'm being dead serious here. I'm not just trying to mock you.

    Multiple people have agreed with me that your behavior does seem to imply as much.

    We have had other INTJs on here who have Asperger's; there's nothing wrong with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    You welcome to look at my record.


    You have no record to look at, man...

    As I (and others) said to you before: nobody cares about your document; it means nothing to us, as we don't know the people on it.

    Your record here essentially consists of your 100+ posts, which have shown an incredible inconsistency between what you say and what you do (not just in this post I'm responding to, but in the vast majority of your posts earlier in the thread), the consistent belief that whatever you do is what all INTJs should do (and that, if they do not do these things, then they're not actually INTJs), and a strong tendency to jump to conclusions based on too little data (inferior Se; Pi tunnel vision). Now I and the other member you've talked to outside of this forum both agree on this, and so do many other members who have contributed to this thread, so, the question you really should be asking yourself is, "Are they all delusional, and I'm the one who's seeing things clearly, or am I delusional, and they're the ones who are seeing things clearly?" Unfortunately, I'm more-or-less certain which of these two you're going to go with, but I and most everybody else on here would probably like to see you make the wiser decision and give the latter a little more consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    As I (and others) said to you before: nobody cares about your document; it means nothing to us, as we don't know the people on it.
    We know the one person he typed as INTJ to a certain degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    It seems to me you are looking for it in your blog, too. Endless rumination of categories, always attempting yet never able to touch the ground.
    Well there it's easy. Although it's written in public, it is by tone and design largely an inner world. The handling of the concepts is idiosyncratic, the working out is individual, the language is opaque. It's organised, somewhat, but that's the extent to which I modify it. What's interesting is what happens when genuinely outer world interaction occurs. Having someone throw in some information or interact with the ideas in their own way throws me off my stride. The mentation mode is altered, and with it arrives a different standard of determination. Instead of speculation with some measure of organisation, there is now the need to properly evaluate, to actually touch, even to stomp upon, the ground, as the mortals do, and get a proper foundation. To harmonise.

    I think perhaps the ideal standard of "truth" as far as Je is concerned is "the world", or more exactly, the matching of the declarative content of utterances to the conditions of the world. But it'll endlessly remain ideal because one doesn't check declarative content against the world so much as one checks against perceptions of the world. Obviously, however, one aims to refine perception, the better to be that check. One acknowledges that perception can be faulty, but suggests that it does come in contact with the real and can be improved as description of what was contacted. So there's a process. And right there is the standard and also the reason it shifts and yet in shifting doesn't flummox us. The external standard is that collection of declarations we have thus far agreed upon and will use as a basis for further study. The further study will change, develop, and refine the collection of declarations and become, once appropriately accepted, the new standard. Harmony grows.

    My guess is the problem lies with the words. You cannot point to Ni. There is no Ni, just as there is no Paris, only a giant system of buildings, roads, people, noises, and vast complexity. When a bomb blows up in Paris, you cannot pinpoint its actual location if 'Paris' is the most fundamental category at your disposal.
    I'd be guessing there's a problem with words only if there exists some world that's better and more compelling than the real world. The problem arises in the matching--the knowing of which concepts suits which actual existent.

    And someone call Paris. Nicodemus may be plotting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    What's interesting is what happens when genuinely outer world interaction occurs. Having someone throw in some information or interact with the ideas in their own way throws me off my stride. The mentation mode is altered, and with it arrives a different standard of determination. Instead of speculation with some measure of organisation, there is now the need to properly evaluate, to actually touch, even to stomp upon, the ground, as the mortals do, and get a proper foundation. To harmonise.

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    HEY MAN! That's why INTJs eventually become leaders. It's a good thing.
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    Why do you think I do it to you?!

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