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    So what I'm thinking is Fe is a collection of judgments along the lines of "this is right; that is wrong". They provide for a structured appreciation of the outer world. Since these are judgments for and about the outer world, questions of how, whether and/or when these judgments are followed are questions of action: doing the right thing, going the wrong way, indicating by your action that you feel this other thing, and so on.

    Leadership then is a matter of indicating where the forms and paths are and how to perform them.

    Perhaps then, true leadership lies in discovering and making available the best paths for the right person in the right context.


    I'm recalling too onemoretime's point about Fe being contextual and I'm wondering if there is not a more accurate characterisation of "true leadership".


    I'm also NOT ruling out the possibility that Fe judgments will suit a person preferring Fi, but I do note that if one naturally orients outward for the signs and signals and actual location of feeling, then you're in a better position to feel positive reward in accommodating the forms and paths.


    And I'm thinking what we seem to be trolling calling fakeness is most apparent in those times when Fe people are overriding the feelings of the moment, the better to build these larger paths and forms.
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    Thanks for not coming out and supporting me TP's... thanks a lot. Let these Fi fools roll all over me.... *dejected*

    I really do believe that TP/FJ is the way of the future and that TJ/FP represents a useless vestige of our past....

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    Then either you're a troll or an idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris1207 View Post
    Thanks for not coming out and supporting me TP's... thanks a lot. Let these Fi fools roll all over me.... *dejected*

    I really do believe that TP/FJ is the way of the future and that TJ/FP represents a useless vestige of our past....
    You must know TPs are very lazy and those Fi folks will never learn it. So what, lets go drink a coffee together thats more fun than hanging out here
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    I see! You guys with Te expected me to substantiate my position with external authorities on the subject (Te), much like Orangeappled did. Ha! Not only would Ti not do that but certainly not in the inferior position. Ti, as it pertains to me, seeks truth in my complex hypothetical scenarios (Ni) by examining available data (Se). Of course it has a flexible quality. It's inferior to Ni. They do have the same structure though, which is what makes this method viable. I've used it in other areas of my life to great affect.

    This is also an instance where Fi gets a hair in ass about something and then suddenly Fi users have an inability to listen to those who have offended them. The fact is that I don't want to connect or work toward a connection with people like this. One wrong move sets off a bomb that Fe users will be attempting to repair forever. Apologies don't work, Te, which values competency in all spheres, would hardly respect that.

    As far as me being an idiot, ever hear of Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs? I talked about it earlier. Te and Fi are firmly nested in the second tier, concerning themselves with self-preservation (safety) while Fe is the force that binds people in the third tier, the social one. Just because we were able to teach Non-NFP Fi users to not be prejudiced doesn't mean they would've arrived there on their own. It took Fe users communicating these values to NFP's to get them to realize the error of their people's ways and assist them in coming out of the dark ages.

    Also, let's face it: Te = putting square blocks into round pegs some times... It's hardly difficult to see why you folks wouldn't be able to see past your noses, rationally speaking. While it may be said that both NFP's and NFJ's contributed to the civil rights movement, which I believe has improved the quality of life for all, it's hardly the case that Te had any part in helping the technology boom we've been experiencing. People that wield Ti, such as NTP's, are the ones responsible for such advances. It's that outside of the box logic that enables them to do so. Te is far to bound up in looking for externalized verifications of it's position. It's Ti's cool, detached nature that will lead us to find some of the greatest innovations.

    Time and time again this has been true, e.g. Thomas Edison and Albert Einstein (Karl Jung and David Keirsey as well.)

    You can't speak of the merits of Fe without speaking of the merits of Ti. You wouldn't be typing on your computer without it. You wouldn't have your iPod/other MP3 player or Cellphone either. Ti makes communication (Fe) between disparate people happen.

    Te merely maintains, it cannot innovate, such is it's weakness.

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    Actually, let me make a further nuance. I was partially wrong on the NFP part. It's entirely probable that they may've wanted to support the civil right movement on account of their experiencing first-hand (Si) the injustices inherent in a prejudiced system. To not mention that would be to discredit them...

    Also, I love the fact that you know nothing of the nature of Ti, Zara. Just because I refine my theory does not mean it's bullshit or that I have recanted it. I am merely making a further distinction that I was unaware of before. Given the nature of the conscious mind vs the unconscious mind, it's hardly surprising that I would miss something...

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    ^ Chris we don't mind Ti logic - Fi totally understands justification through theoretical argument. We just don't see how your premises lead to your conclusions.

    Edit: And do be careful about making such disparaging comments about Te. Much of what you have said could be equated with the Fe/Fi divide. Je functions are about creating external systems; these are designed to simplify the Ji functions for the purpose of expediency and workability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Kross View Post
    ^ Chris we don't mind Ti logic - Fi totally understands justification through theoretical argument. We just don't see how your premises lead to your conclusions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Maybe you take the wrong drugs !
    Wait, there's drugs involved? No wonder I'm so confused!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    So what I'm thinking is Fe is a collection of judgments along the lines of "this is right; that is wrong" Actually that is Fi. As I said before, introverted functions are dichotomous in nature. Rather you may glean this impression on account of the combination of Fe with Pi. They provide for a structured appreciation of the outer world Structure is an illusion, a combination again of Je and Pi. It is a combination of Je's focus on impact and Pi's focus on temporality. Since these are judgments for and about the outer world, questions of how, whether Both Ni and/or when Si these judgments are followed are questions of action: doing the right thing, going the wrong way, indicating by your action that you feel this other thing, and so on.

    Leadership then is a matter of indicating where the forms and paths are and how to perform them. Very True. People with Je as their primary are predisposed to managing the outside world, which then fuels the development of competent leadership as one matures

    Perhaps then, true leadership lies in discovering and making available the best paths for the right person in the right context Pi.


    I'm recalling too onemoretime's point about Fe being contextual Bad term. Fi and Pe is 'contextual', in the sense that they are flexible and changing depending on the situation. Fe is rather a cognitive function that 'pertains to context'and I'm wondering if there is not a more accurate characterisation of "true leadership".


    I'm also NOT ruling out the possibility that Fe judgments will suit a person preferring Fi, but I do note that if one naturally orients outward for the signs and signals and actual location of feeling, then you're in a better position to feel positive reward in accommodating the forms and paths We are more aware of the impact that our actions will have. True.


    And I'm thinking what we seem to be trolling calling fakeness is most apparent in those times when Fe people are overriding the feelings of the moment Fi and Pe, the better to build these larger paths and forms. True. Somewhat like an individual that paves a road before cars travel on it. We are facilitators of cooperation
    Yay! Someone with a substantive argument on the nature of these cognitive functions (actually I have to go back and read the rest, I r tired.) Again, thank you, Kalach, for coming in and having a rational argument to act as a counter to mine. While I certainly didn't facilitate communication with my desire to divorce myself from Fi sensibilities, I do appreciate your refreshing perspective.

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