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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
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    its funny, now you were being out of touch with reality when you failed to realize that i was just teasing you. = you trying to be objective about the world isnt actually being objective, but subjectively choosing what seems objective and rationalizing yourself being objective

    some wise man one said: "objectivity is just an illusion, caused by rationalization of ones own subjectivity" or something like that
    Wow.

    You are brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    What "this"? That Te is not objective?

    There's such a willful and on-going misinterpretation of this word "objective" that it can only be projection. It's been around much longer than this thread too.



    Okay, liars, how do truth valuations come to be? What is there about "objective" functions that promotes one evaluation over others? There are so many useful valuations available but none of them are chosen. What of "probable"? Or "measurable"? Or "standard"? Or "loveable"? Or "cute"? Or "scientific"? Or "partial"? Why is there no value "partial"? Why, instead, "true"? Why is that one privileged?

    Does it vary from person to person? I assume it must since this is Ti. So why is there some mystical "objectivity" then?

    BECAUSE YOU NEED A WAY TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FEELING AND NOT-FEELING, AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO HAVE FEELING IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!

    "True" is defined by feeling.


    And could it be especially wretched in the case of Ti because Fe is the objective function, not Ti? Thus the mystical VALUE of "objective"? A person has only to check with the world to see what's up with Fe, so "true" had better be something extra special, it needs some rigorous foundation that removes it from world checks, something that makes world checks empty... we must be... OBJECTIVE!
    Te tries to put out logical and rational explanation into an object in external world. but what is taken in(introverted) from the object shapes the rational explanations by leaving somethings out and taking somethings in based on intuitions and feelings, also not everything is noticed. This is the reason why, even tho Te tries to be objective by following reason, its as subjective as anything else in human mind.. reasons that Te use to rationalize come from subjective processes, so it makes Te subjective too, no matter how strongly it strives on being objective by following reason and logic.
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Wow.

    You are brilliant.
    I know.. glad you finally noticed it too
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    I know.. glad you finally noticed it too

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Te tries to put out logical and rational explanation into an object in external world. but what is taken in(introverted) from the object shapes the rational explanations by leaving somethings out and taking somethings in based on intuitions and feelings, also not everything is noticed. This is the reason why, even tho Te tries to be objective by following reason, its as subjective as anything else in human mind.. reasons that Te use to rationalize come from subjective processes, so it makes Te subjective too, no matter how strongly it strives on being objective by following reason and logic.
    Not a horrible explanation, but still doesn't tell the whole story.

    You're around the early 20th century or so (and before, obviously).

    Better than most, but still not good enough. We've gone further than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    I don't see any of the ENTJs arguing this.... HAH. Wouldn't THEY be the most "objective"?
    ESTJ's I think would be in the best position to claim objectivity, by virtue of their Te / Si orientation.

    Te with the rational, logical focus , Si grounded in reality ...

    pfft on the NTJ's ...
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    @EJCC needs to show those darned INTJs who's boss..... objectivity for the win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    If TJs and FPs only use Fi, and Fi invariably causes Fi users to assume that displays of emotion are fake, then are demonstrations of Fe fake?
    Assume makes an ass out of u and me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
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    its funny, now you were being out of touch with reality when you failed to realize that i was just teasing you. = you trying to be objective about the world isnt actually being objective, but subjectively choosing what seems objective and rationalizing yourself being objective

    some wise man one said: "objectivity is just an illusion, caused by rationalization of ones own subjectivity" or something like that
    Possibly it was G.I. Gurdjieff.
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    My Fi doesn't care if someone else thinks I'm fake because I know I'm not. It's their issue, not mine.

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