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    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    If Socionics is respected and used a lot around here (typologycentral), then I'm out the door, because Socionics is a load of crap. It's not as well correlated with reality as MBTI is.
    Yeah, this is primarily a Socionics forum. *snicker*

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    the conflict is between people who insist on immediate judgment, who believe that a theory is a definition of itself and that you "understand" it, when you know the theory, because you have read all about it and other people who check with reality and try to understand reality (like how people's minds work) feel that a theory is just a map of reality and its either wrong or right, based on whether it's in harmony with reality. the former think that the function table of the MBTI defines what P means in the mbti, that would be extroverted perception, either as dominant or as secondary function ... they just believe it. the latter look for example at people who naturally (without prior knowledge about typology) score P and find that these are the irrational types who are actually 'dominated' by a either introverted or extroverted perceptive function (as evident to someone who can SEE functions in people, using theory of mind and reality based understanding of what functions are, as opposed to someone who just looks out for superficial symptoms), which leads to the conclusion that the mbti function table is wrong, meaning the mbti tests/results and its cognitive theory/function table are twisted against each other for the introverted types and in fact the introverted mbti types (meaning the test results) are identical to those of socionics or jung, ie ISFP is ISFp is SEI is SiFe until individuals are "taught" false self images on message boards, then test results will begin to differ in many ways ..
    Yes, exactly, agree 100%.

    If Socionics is respected and used a lot around here (typologycentral), then I'm out the door, because Socionics is a load of crap. It's not as well correlated with reality as MBTI is.
    Then your perception of reality must be skewed.
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    Mapping people like Jung did is usually a Ti talent. I can feel the craving cry within me, the logical beast that cries to be unleashed and to put whole of humanity into 16 boxes...

    usually people who think like that have no clue about boolean logic and electronics cause otherwise they'ld now how impossible it is to synthesize human logic
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    Quote Originally Posted by five View Post
    Furthermore if anyone believes "Only an individual can type themselves correctly" please let me know so I can add to ignore list because you are clearly deluded then. Myers Briggs, while creating a superb system, were simply dead wrong on this point.

    In other words, our personality type is independent of our assessment of our personality type.
    Of course a person still has a personality type even if they haven't evaluated it. But do you think mind reading at this point is going to be 100% correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    People already have enough psychological excuses for their messiah complexes. Masterminds, Indigo Children, Idiot Savants, Assburgers.
    These are categories, not complexes. The "pure type" is just another category, which just needs a better name because of the annoying associations with the word "pure"

    I don't know if Jung was an actual "pure type," but he was probably very introverted thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by uncommonentity View Post
    based on like every INTP I know and have ever known they wouldn't be bothered to categorize people they'd of just led a happy life of being them with no weird systematic creations.
    The INTPs you know don't like making systems? Really?

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    E=60% S=55% T=70% P=80%

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    Whats with the Hitler avatars ? You guys make me sit tightly every three seconds -.-
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    let's make this thread into an argument about hitlers type. you know it has to happen.

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    Oh not again, the old hitler thread already reached 88 pages *hidden sign in this post for inter-german-secret-communication* :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    These are categories, not complexes. The "pure type" is just another category, which just needs a better name because of the annoying associations with the word "pure"
    It's not about the word pure to me so much as encourages unique snowflake-ness. Someone who is at a level of psychological completeness compared to the rest of the human race. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing - If it was about experience or putting work into it. Except, this isn't about experience, but an idea that champions being intrinsically complete via Type and birthright.. or what have you.

    As for Jung, he himself had a lot of views on this. Except it was more about the angle I'm getting to. He talked about the ultimate goal being one of Individuation, integrating all of our differing traits.. but he also said it was something attained in old age, at best. So it's about experience.

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    @KDude: since when does snowflakeness mean being more psychologically complete?

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