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    The great thing about Typology Central is that we tolerate believers and sceptics, but we don't tolerate personal insults.

    I do understand that believers are offended by sceptics, and are tempted to reply by personal insults. But personal insults are against the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    This is a personal insult directed at me. And personal insults are against the rules and may lead to banning.
    I didnt insult you. It would had been an insult if i had said that you are a retard, but i listed possibility of trolling as well and said that its not likely that you are a retard..
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    I didnt insult you. It would had been an insult if i had said that you are a retard, but i listed possibility of trolling as well and said that its not likely that you are a retard..
    Possibilities and probabilities are Ne's domain

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Possibilities and probabilities are Ne's domain
    Unseen possibilities. Just to be clear.

    Se can also detect possibilities, it's just a little more focused on the present and immediate environment as it scans for every possible variable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Possibilities and probabilities are Ne's domain
    Possibilities are N's domain, and probabilities can be calculates via thinking if all information needed(or what the person thinks is needed) is in conscious realm of the mind. Intuitions approach to probabilities is less conscious. Its really about whether the information needed is processed consciously via thinking, or unconsciously processed and then the answer perceived by intuition.
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    That's because he's an INFJ EII.

    The more varied and numerous the arguments created about a type the more likely they're an INFJ or ESTP.

    More people mistype as INFJ than not and most INFJs don't correctly type for years

    Ni- Most agree he was Ni- seeing and musing on connections in an infinite reality

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    People lean (even Jung himself) toward T here, but that's because people don't understand Fe, ethics, and the concept of the human experience

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    He wanted to make logical sense out of the predecessor Fe- the human experience.

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    He said he felt "out of touch with reality" an inferior Se

    BBC Interview, Face to Face, aired 1959
    "And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. … I was often at variance with the reality of things"

    He also said "I had a definite difficulty with Feeling". INFJs have difficulty feeling for human beings on a personal level. Fe is constantly being run through the mill of Ti. Feel goods aren't an INFJ thing.

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    Imagine if Carl Jung had completed his psychoanalytic training with Dr Freud, history would have been different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILoveJung View Post
    That's because he's an INFJ EII.

    The more varied and numerous the arguments created about a type the more likely they're an INFJ or ESTP.

    More people mistype as INFJ than not and most INFJs don't correctly type for years

    Ni- Most agree he was Ni- seeing and musing on connections in an infinite reality

    Fe-
    People lean (even Jung himself) toward T here, but that's because people don't understand Fe, ethics, and the concept of the human experience

    Ti-
    He wanted to make logical sense out of the predecessor Fe- the human experience.

    Se-
    He said he felt "out of touch with reality" an inferior Se

    BBC Interview, Face to Face, aired 1959
    "And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. … I was often at variance with the reality of things"

    He also said "I had a definite difficulty with Feeling". INFJs have difficulty feeling for human beings on a personal level. Fe is constantly being run through the mill of Ti. Feel goods aren't an INFJ thing.
    Beebe in his new book (Energies and Patterns in Psychological Type, Chapter 11, on Jung’s “Red Book”) says Jung was in fact an INTJ, but one whose “thinking was never his true superior function. Rather, his using it as if it were a superior function was a ‘falsification of type’, a not uncommon consequence of ‘abnormal external influences'” (p171).
    Then, the companion book, Hunziker's Depth Typology (on Beebe's theory) ch.4 goes even further, in pointing out how Jung seemed to engage both extraverted and introverted Thinking, (“Hence, the endless debate about whether he was an INTJ or an INTP”) Yet, “if you look closely”, Jung’s use of Ti “always seemed somewhat tortured and convoluted, and a bit tinged with the didactic tone of the Senex archetype”.

    So all of this may explain why he seems like an INFJ or INTP (basically, a Ti/Fe "Aligning" type).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B
    Beebe in his new book (Energies and Patterns in Psychological Type, Chapter 11, on Jung’s “Red Book”) says Jung was in fact an INTJ, but one whose “thinking was never his true superior function. Rather, his using it as if it were a superior function was a ‘falsification of type’, a not uncommon consequence of ‘abnormal external influences'” (p171).
    I think the challenge is that when it comes to really specific type comparisons, like which intuitive/thinking type was Jung (TiN, NiT), we run into the fact that Beebe and Jung are working by different precise systems. The MBTI's conception of the 8 function-attitudes by no means is identical to Jung's, despite common origins, and further of course is the issue that Jung seemed more OK with typings like NiTi than with typings like NiTe -- so the very frameworks differ.

    So I'm personally very skeptical of Beebe-ans' claims that Jung mistyped himself, and prefer the idea that they're simply working based on a revised system.

    This doesn't mean I don't think we can strive for a single objectively best system (I personally think the idea of just treating socionics, Jung, MBTI as totally random different systems is absurd), just that it's likely we need to acknowledge the various clashes and find the ideal improvement in each case/get the best overall interpretation of "the" 16 types.



    A simple instance where there's a difference between most Myers-Briggs frameworks and Jung's is what "counted" as falling under the thinking function. Things that spilled over into an intellectual domain already seemed to Jung to spill over into the thinking function, in part because he was content to leave some wilder speculative and/or heavily unconsciously perceived phenomena to what he called intuition. Whereas we, having "grown up with" the MBTI's concept of N/S have a view of N as much more compatible with intellectualizing -- maybe we say T is less unconscious, more technical, more explicit, and so on, which is the same in spirit, without relegating N-dominance as being mainly typical of stock-speculators, mystics, and so on.

    On balance, here, I prefer the modern formulations (while remaining Jung-purist in other areas), because Jung's seem to apply better to the context of contrasting truly mystical "irrational" approaches with his more rational approaches (probably where he got the idea that he's too rationalistic). But I think most of us would find that, for the broadest explanatory power, the line between rational and intuitive should be drawn elsewhere.


    So in short, I'd agree Jung's probably a N-dominant in modern frameworks, ones of the type Beebe is probably thinking of. I'm open to the idea that he can be modeled as a NiTe type -- here I'm not too sure, though. In other words, I'm not sold against the possibility of his being a NiF type.


    His diagnosis of self as a TiS type might have something to do with a determination to present himself as a scientist.

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    It's known that Jung focused on the dominant, and not so much the auxiliary, to the point that it's not always clear which attitude the auxiliary would be in. So if Ni dominant with aux. T, that T might have been presumed to be introverted, hence an apparent “NiTi”.
    So Beebe (who is really more Jungian than specifically “MBTI”) basically expanded upon Jung, filling in the areas both he and MBTI had left not fully developed.
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