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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    And yes he worked for nazi germany, because there was a strong possibility of psychology being pushed down completely in germany, he worked to save that, not to help nazis.
    Carl Jung took his orders from Hermann Goering. He took his orders freely and willingly and carried them out.

    And we are told an unforgivable lie that Carl Jung worked for Hermann Goering to save psychology, not to serve National Socialism.

    And those who believe that will believe anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Carl Jung took his orders from Hermann Goering. He took his orders freely and willingly and carried them out.

    And we are told an unforgivable lie that Carl Jung worked for Hermann Goering to save psychology, not to serve National Socialism.

    And those who believe that will believe anything.
    Then explain to me why he was friends with jews and saw these friends as equal, the same people who nazis were against and saw as inferior?
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Then explain to me why he was friends with jews and saw these friends as equal, the same people who nazis were against and saw as inferior?
    Sigmund Freud was a Jew who Carl Jung publicly rejected, and rejected his teaching, and rejected his authority. And Jung's Aryan friends drove Sigmund Freud out of this home and murdered his extended family.

    And those who are in sympathy with Jung's Aryan friends make propaganda for Carl Jung and against Sigmund Freud. And this same propaganda is regularly repeated on Typology Central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Sigmund Freud was a Jew who Carl Jung publicly rejected, and rejected his teaching, and rejected his authority. And Jung's Aryan friends drove Sigmund Freud out of this home and murdered his extended family.

    And those who are in sympathy with Jung's Aryan friends make propaganda for Carl Jung and against Sigmund Freud. And this same propaganda is regularly repeated on Typology Central.
    You are bit off with your assumptions. Jung had other jewish friends as well. Jung didnt reject all of freuds teachings, he rejected the idea that oedipus complex is the only complex and freuds general assumption of almost purely sexual nature of the unconscious. Freud was the one who werent able to get over of his own delusions, when jung told him that there is more to the unconscious and libido than just sex.

    Btw todays psychology paradigms view psyche much closer to jungs view than freuds view(even tho jung is viewed as the black sheep of psychology due to propaganda from freudians). And reasons for that are pretty obvious. Freuds aim was to take jung down and make people see jung as someone deranged, just because he didnt FULLY accept his views of the unconscious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Carl Jung took his orders from Hermann Goering. He took his orders freely and willingly and carried them out.
    I recently corrected you on your apparent mixup of Hermann Goering and a cousin of his who was the head of a German psychotherapy organization. Have you forgotten so soon, or is this more of an integrity-in-the-toilet situation? As I previously noted, that Wikipedia article paints a very different picture than your posts on the issue of Jung's views of, and cooperation with, the Nazis.

    Can you point us to a source describing a single "order" from Hermann Goering that Jung "carried out," or do you basically just feel free to make up your own facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reckful View Post
    I recently corrected you on your apparent mixup of Hermann Goering and a cousin of his who was the head of a German psychotherapy organization. Have you forgotten so soon, or is this more of an integrity-in-the-toilet situation? As I previously noted, that Wikipedia article paints a very different picture than your posts on the issue of Jung's views of, and cooperation with, the Nazis.

    Can you point us to a source describing a single "order" from Hermann Goering that Jung "carried out," or do you basically just feel free to make up your own facts?
    Please! Hermann Goering was not only convicted of crimes against humanity, Hermann was also a neptotist. Hermann practised nepotism by ordering Carl Jung to appoint his cousin, Mathias Goering, as head of the psychotherapy association. And being fascinated by Nazism and obedient to the orders of Hermann Goering, Carl Jung followed orders.

    Of course you wish to avoid the emotional pain of cognitive dissonance caused by discovering your guru not only was deeply complicit in crimes against humanity, but he was also psychotic.

    It is very natural you wish to avoid this emotional pain, and so you deploy the psychological defences of denial and blaming the messenger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Hermann practised nepotism by ordering Carl Jung to appoint his cousin, Mathias Goering, as head of the psychotherapy association. And being fascinated by Nazism and obedient to the orders of Hermann Goering, Carl Jung followed orders.
    To repeat part of my question: Can you point us to a source for that, or are you just assuming it because you want it to be a fact?

    ADDED: Here's part of a 2011 article in The Guardian with the subhead, "On the 50th anniversary of Jung's death it is time to put accusations of him collaborating with the Nazis to rest."

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    Jung is also accused of complying with the Nazi authorities, in particular with Matthias Göring, the man who became the leader of organised psychotherapy in Germany, not least because he was the cousin of Hermann Göring. In fact, Matthias put Jung's name to pro-Nazi statements without Jung's knowledge.

    Jung was furious, not least because he was actually fighting to keep German psychotherapy open to Jewish individuals. And that was not all. Bair reveals that Jung was involved in two plots to oust Hitler, essentially by having a leading physician declare the Führer mad. Both came to nothing.

    It has also come to light that Jung operated as a spy for the OSS (the predecessor to the CIA). He was called "Agent 488" and his handler, Allen W. Dulles, later remarked: "Nobody will probably ever know how much Prof Jung contributed to the allied cause during the war."

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    Quote Originally Posted by reckful View Post
    To repeat part of my question: Can you point us to a source for that, or are you just assuming it because you want it to be a fact?

    ADDED: Here's part of a 2011 article in The Guardian with the subhead, "On the 50th anniversary of Jung's death it is time to put accusations of him collaborating with the Nazis to rest."
    He is either trolling, retard(which doesent seem likely according to other stuff he has been writing over the years), has some overbearing complexes or is psychotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    He is either trolling, retard(which doesent seem likely according to other stuff he has been writing over the years), has some overbearing complexes or is psychotic.
    This is a personal insult directed at me. And personal insults are against the rules and may lead to banning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    He is either trolling, retard(which doesent seem likely according to other stuff he has been writing over the years), has some overbearing complexes or is psychotic.
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    This is a personal insult directed at me. And personal insults are against the rules and may lead to banning.
    @Mole

    Last week, in this very thread, you said that Jung fans "have no intellectual or moral integrity," and that people who subscribe to the MBTI are amoral, narcissistic cultists.

    Earlier this week, you told @Paladin-X (also in this thread) that it sounded to you like his parents' failure to meet his "need to be loved unconditionally" may have left him with "a narcissistic neurosis, like so many here," and suggested that he might want to consult a "professional therapist" to have his "psychological damage repaired" so that he wouldn't "go on to damage others."

    So I dunno, Mole, I'm not sure you're in the best position to be wailing about INTP's post.

    And as for all those charges you've made that Jung was a Nazi supporter, they may not technically violate any forum rules but, assuming you can't really point to any respectable sources for them, they're certainly despicable.

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