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    I think ISFP's, since they do lead via Fi can definitely be somewhere in the middle of, agreeing with consensus, holding back opinions when it's not of dire concern, in order to get along with others and being fierce about their ideals. I don't think they contradict one another. When it matters, we stand up for what we believe in. When it doesn't matter, there's not any real reason to worry about trivial things, especially since everyone is entitled to their opinions.

    Think... Harry Potter. My favorite ISFP. He stood up for things that were important. We're not the type to go around jumping into debates with people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    There's nothing minor about the difference between an EKG and an EEG. No Marm, people aren't trolls for merely stating facts. However, calling people trolls as often as you do, is considered flaming. Knock it off.
    I don't like you. You're always nasty to me for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    This is the same basic thing I have been explaining to INTP's, regarding the blended temperaments in each type tempering each other. Especially when you pair an introverted Interaction Style with a pragmatic Keirsey group (which is basically another kind of "extroversion" in the temperament sense).

    So this is why INTP's don't usually recognize the Choleric side of their personality when looking at the Galen temperaments, and also why ISFP would have a similar issue in being an introvert, yet seeming like an extrovert in some ways. In addition to the likeliness of SP corresponding to what is called a Sanguine in Control, which is known to "swing" between action and passivity at times. (And Phlegmatic Sanguine in Control is the same way).

    Plus, Fi being normally peaceful and acquiescent to others' needs, but then standing up for its values when really violated. This plus the Se, again, will describe some of what you're saying.

    And different sites and descriptions will focus on one side of this stuff or another. And yes, some will be off base, though Personality Page's stuff seems to be OK.

    Still, I would agree with Huxley, and you do still seem more on the E side to me at this point.
    I'm like the bolded IRL, totally.

    What's funny is that people who actually KNOW me...like people who have been my Live Journal friends for ten years, and JTG1984, have a very hard time buying me being an extrovert.

    I'm also introverted compared to my mom and at least one of my sisters (ESFP and ENFJ, respectively) and when my ENFJ best friend met me in high school she called me "a big loner" and said that she was intrigued by me because "everyone knows who you are, everyone talks about you, but it doesn't seem like anyone really knows you."

    People in the house I lived in with bunch of roommates called me "quiet" "almost like she's not here sometimes" "sweet"..."but don't fuck with her."

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    Oh my ESFJ ex also used to call me "introvert."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I don't like you.
    I don't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I agree with the parts of that which I understood. I don't go into that much depth with personality theory because to me it's like digging deeper into the cotton candy fluff. It's the kind of theory that just dissolves itself, and the deeper I go the faster it dissolves as it becomes more abstract, more divorced from reality.

    If Marmie is an ISFP, then it's not that she is more E but that she is more S. Or one could say she expresses more SE than usual while still being an ISFP. This phenomenon was predicted by John Fudjack based on the MBTI's circular reasoning fallacy. There is nothing in theory to prevent this type from being iSfp versus isFp except the MBTI assumption that the ISFP must have P-non-closure Fi dominant. The iSfp creates a slightly different type, and the new theory contains 32 types rather than the usual 16. (The Fudjack type theory also omits the P and J.) So if Marmie personally disagrees with the ISFP description, it's only because there is no single type-description in the MBTI that matches her preference order.

    The MBTI predicts that Marmie, as an isFp, should have a function preference order of F-S-N-T (or what this forum calls Fi-Se-Ni-Te). But S-F-T-N is also a possibility, which will give iSfp (non-closure Si which is usually considered a j-closure function like the classic iSfj).

    This, however, is how she scored on the Fudjack-Dinkelaker Functional Preferences Instrument on 4-24-2011 -
    N = 20
    S = 1
    F = 7
    T = 8

    In other words, the preference order is N-T-F-S. Intuition was the leading and by far most outstanding score on Marmie's test result.

    Marmie agreed with this for the most part, stating only that the F-T difference was off by one letter, hinting that she really prefers F over T, and implying that N belongs at the top in the order of preference.

    Let's assume that she does prefer F over T. This gives a preference order of N-F-T-S. So if she is an introvert, that gives NiFe, or iNfj (Ni with j-closure), as one possibility, but it also allows iNfp as another possibility. The latter is an Ni with p-non-closure, which is not allowed for by the MBTI naming convention for determining type.

    So yes, Personality Page is crap insofar as the MBTI is a crappy theory based on circular reasoning and fallacy-riddled assumptions.
    This is a good post, really mal. Thanks.

    The best single description I have ever read is the Exuberant personality one, as I already said, but it would definitely point to a more ambiverted ISFP, someone who leans more toward extrovert.

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    Oh but that Fudjack-Dillrinker test is crap...it totally mistypes people. If I'm an ENTP, then the sky is falling.

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    I think a test can be off with some types and handle other types just fine, so that doesn't make the test uniformly "crap." It's just obvious the questions/scaling for some types was properly implemented, but other types were not.

    Just my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think a test can be off with some types and handle other types just fine, so that doesn't make the test uniformly "crap." It's just obvious the questions/scaling for some types was properly implemented, but other types were not.

    Just my two cents.
    It's just that SOOOO many people were mistyped on that test, not just myself. That is my observation. That thread became almost like a joke at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Goodness.... people will say you're in love.
    I was already going to buy some pink and blue cigars just to be ready.

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