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    I don't keep my true opinions to myself, I'm pretty straightforward with my opinions. I can't remember the personality page description that well. I thought the self improvement page was pretty good and I think it was the first place I read about working on Se.

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    All these type descriptions are made about the stereotypical and undeveloped person of that type. this is why i dont really like any of them. imo its better to learn how the functions interact, and studying jung gives the most profound understanding for that, not just the functions or types, but other things related to it, like unconscious, conscious, persona(which isnt relevant to type actually, but can lead you to type yourself or others incorrectly), differentiation etc etc
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    Maybe the article had 9w1 ISFPs in mind?

    Or maybe IxFxs in general are more prone than the other types to "shut up for the sake of peace"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I think there is a contradiction between the Keirsey stereotype of SPs being competitive and brave and this idea that an ISFP wouldn't even share their opinion with their mate. Makes no sense to me at all. You guys probably wouldn't even recognize me in person because I can be so pleasant and quiet and avoidant of drama. On the other hand, I will stand up for myself or suddenly lash out in ways that shocks people because it seems so opposite of the way I normally appear on the outside. I'm all like "please, thank you, excuse me" and keeping to myself. But if you fuck with me I will make you regret it. I'm also fiercely protective of my loved ones as well as myself. I express myself MUCH more openly in writing usually. On the other hand, in the PTypes description of the Exuberant personality ISFPs take great pride in not being afraid to stand up for what they believe in. And if EKG study of personality type and function theory says ISFPs are more likely to defend their opinions and take action than INFPs, then these stereotypes are fucking crap.
    This is the same basic thing I have been explaining to INTP's, regarding the blended temperaments in each type tempering each other. Especially when you pair an introverted Interaction Style with a pragmatic Keirsey group (which is basically another kind of "extroversion" in the temperament sense).

    So this is why INTP's don't usually recognize the Choleric side of their personality when looking at the Galen temperaments, and also why ISFP would have a similar issue in being an introvert, yet seeming like an extrovert in some ways. In addition to the likeliness of SP corresponding to what is called a Sanguine in Control, which is known to "swing" between action and passivity at times. (And Phlegmatic Sanguine in Control is the same way).

    Plus, Fi being normally peaceful and acquiescent to others' needs, but then standing up for its values when really violated. This plus the Se, again, will describe some of what you're saying.

    And different sites and descriptions will focus on one side of this stuff or another. And yes, some will be off base, though Personality Page's stuff seems to be OK.

    Still, I would agree with Huxley, and you do still seem more on the E side to me at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    *EEG

    It was a minor mistake. Did you not read that thread? Is that really all you got out of this one?

    Troll.
    There's nothing minor about the difference between an EKG and an EEG. No Marm, people aren't trolls for merely stating facts. However, calling people trolls as often as you do, is considered flaming. Knock it off.

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    honestly, you don't seem like an isfp to me. most of the ones i know would probably relate to that, they're all pretty passive and non-confrontational. that doesn't mean they're pushovers, but they definitely avoid conflict and are generally private people.

    i do hate the part of the infp relationship section on personalitypage that says we enjoy words said during sex more than the actual act. fuck that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Just read on Personality Page that ISFPs are likely to keep their true opinions to themselves, even to the point of mates not knowing them, and I'm thinking this is more of an ISFJ trait. It is Fe that seeks social harmony. Even the recent thread that Seymour posted about neurological connections to type said that ISFPs are more likely to defend their opinion or take action than an INFP.

    This makes sense to me with the nature of Fi and Se. The PTypes description of Exuberant personality type, or ISFP, also clashes with the idea that ISFPs would always keep their opinions to themselves.

    I agree that ISFPs could defer to their mates or stay in a bad relationship longer than they should (I am actually very guilty of WANTING to defer to my mate and staying in one bad relationship longer than I should have because of loving the person) but I don't think this Personality Page description is necessarily true.
    Nobody said that the description has to be necessarily true. To say that something is necessarily true is pretty absolute. In order for the type description to be valid, it's enough to behave according to type most of the time.

    My wife is a stereotypical ISFP who holds back the opinions she has toward others. She shares them with me and talks big about acting on some negative opinions, but she never does anything about them.

    The ISFJ description which you mentioned says, "They do not usually express their own feelings, keeping things inside." The ISFP description says, "They hold back their ideas and opinions except from those who they are closest to."
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    Personality page is a good starting point, but it has it's limits. I thought you hated keirsely based theory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    This is the same basic thing I have been explaining to INTP's, regarding the blended temperaments in each type tempering each other. Especially when you pair an introverted Interaction Style with a pragmatic Keirsey group (which is basically another kind of "extroversion" in the temperament sense).

    So this is why INTP's don't usually recognize the Choleric side of their personality when looking at the Galen temperaments, and also why ISFP would have a similar issue in being an introvert, yet seeming like an extrovert in some ways. In addition to the likeliness of SP corresponding to what is called a Sanguine in Control, which is known to "swing" between action and passivity at times. (And Phlegmatic Sanguine in Control is the same way).

    Plus, Fi being normally peaceful and acquiescent to others' needs, but then standing up for its values when really violated. This plus the Se, again, will describe some of what you're saying.

    And different sites and descriptions will focus on one side of this stuff or another. And yes, some will be off base, though Personality Page's stuff seems to be OK.

    Still, I would agree with Huxley, and you do still seem more on the E side to me at this point.
    I agree with the parts of that which I understood. I don't go into that much depth with personality theory because to me it's like digging deeper into the cotton candy fluff. It's the kind of theory that just dissolves itself, and the deeper I go the faster it dissolves as it becomes more abstract, more divorced from reality.

    If Marmie is an ISFP, then it's not that she is more E but that she is more S. Or one could say she expresses more SE than usual while still being an ISFP. This phenomenon was predicted by John Fudjack based on the MBTI's circular reasoning fallacy. There is nothing in theory to prevent this type from being iSfp versus isFp except the MBTI assumption that the ISFP must have P-non-closure Fi dominant. The iSfp creates a slightly different type, and the new theory contains 32 types rather than the usual 16. (The Fudjack type theory also omits the P and J.) So if Marmie personally disagrees with the ISFP description, it's only because there is no single type-description in the MBTI that matches her preference order.

    The MBTI predicts that Marmie, as an isFp, should have a function preference order of F-S-N-T (or what this forum calls Fi-Se-Ni-Te). But S-F-T-N is also a possibility, which will give iSfp (non-closure Si which is usually considered a j-closure function like the classic iSfj).

    This, however, is how she scored on the Fudjack-Dinkelaker Functional Preferences Instrument on 4-24-2011 -
    N = 20
    S = 1
    F = 7
    T = 8

    In other words, the preference order is N-T-F-S. Intuition was the leading and by far most outstanding score on Marmie's test result.

    Marmie agreed with this for the most part, stating only that the F-T difference was off by one letter, hinting that she really prefers F over T, and implying that N belongs at the top in the order of preference.

    Let's assume that she does prefer F over T. This gives a preference order of N-F-T-S. So if she is an introvert, that gives NiFe, or iNfj (Ni with j-closure), as one possibility, but it also allows iNfp as another possibility. The latter is an Ni with p-non-closure, which is not allowed for by the MBTI naming convention for determining type.

    So yes, Personality Page is crap insofar as the MBTI is a crappy theory based on circular reasoning and fallacy-riddled assumptions.
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    I always hold opinions to myself, people never understand me if I'd try to explain them . I am a visionary, legendary !!

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