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    Quote Originally Posted by Poimandres View Post
    How were cognitive functions invented? I'm not saying that people 'made them up', but rather I'm wondering how human development created them in our brains. Is it perhaps some natural product of evolution, or maybe even a higher spiritual process we don't yet even understand?
    Jung made them up to define and categorize some aspects of human cognition, which is obviously an product of evolution.
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    For those who prefer their science to be non-pseudo:
    http://www.plosbiology.org/article/i...l.pbio.0020097
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    F7 "Imaginative Mimic"

    Infer based on context
    Imagine another place or time
    Mirror others' behavior
    Ask "maybe" and "what if"
    Mentally play out a situation.


    Home of the "mirror neurons." Works as a kind of mental holodeck, where we play out scenarios in an imaginative context.

    F8 "Grounded Believer"

    Recall exact, literal details
    Say a word or phrase with strong emphasis
    Identity what we believe
    Rate how much we like or dislike something
    Ignore context.


    Gets active when you say what's important to you in life. Helps guide our speech and recall detail about the things we consider important. Ignores context, so provides cross-contextual beliefs and details.

    (Side note: autistic people show low F7 and high F8)
    Fe (F7) vs. Fi (F8) mapped out? The first post implies a strong relationship between Fi and F8 . The satanic ESFJ is linked with F7. I wonder if this can be associated with other Fe types. I think so. What say you, Typoc?

    I am certainly more F7 than F8.

    I'm oversimplifying quite a lot here. There was a lot of information in that post, and much of it flew past me, but this stood out to me as worth commenting on. There's more to Fi and Fe, but this struck me as representing the "root" of the differences here.

    Also, does this mean that Fi is an autistic function? Probably not exclusively, but I find that really amusing, for petty, personal reasons.

    People obviously think about the world differently. Maybe typology isn't spot on, and isn't a perfect description of this, but I do think there are patterns in the way people think about the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Fe (F7) vs. Fi (F8) mapped out? The first post implies a strong relationship between Fi and F8 . The satanic ESFJ is linked with F7. I wonder if this can be associated with other Fe types. I think so. I'm probably not super-F7, although I use it sometime. I am not very F8.

    I'm oversimplifying quite a lot here. There was a lot of information in that post, and much of it flew past me, but this stood out to me as worth commenting on. There's more to Fi and Fe, but this struck me as representing the "root" of the differences here.

    Also, does this mean that Fi is an autistic function? Probably not exclusively, but I find that really amusing, for petty, personal reasons.
    If ESFJ is satanic and Fi autistic, what does that make you?

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    Secretly satanic.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Lol. What a patronising asshole. "Oh, so you're Polish? Allow me to speak very slowly in a pseudo-Polish accent as if you are a retard because that will help you to understand me."
    "Here, I'll point to my head several times throughout my talk so you'll know where the brain lives."
    Guess it says a lot about his fanbase...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    Lol. What a patronising asshole. "Oh, so you're Polish? Allow me to speak very slowly in a pseudo-Polish accent as if you are a retard because that will help you to understand me."
    "Here, I'll point to my head several times throughout my talk so you'll know where the brain lives."
    Guess it says a lot about his fanbase...
    Good thing at least some of his fanbase is on your ignore list, then.
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    It's weird that ENTPs and ISTPs make overlap on some places and not INTPs. I have found it to be true though. I knew an ENTP in highschool and we were mortal enemies. We were kind of alike we both liked to play mind games and stuff but he was really into trying to manipulate our social group to ostracise me for no reason at all. Of course he couldn't but he tried. It seemed like he never had genuine friends they were all just strategic pawns like he would never let himself be seen walking to class alone. To me it seemed like he took all the strategic stuff too far whereas I would use it mostly only when needed.

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    It's worth noting that many supposed "experts" at the art of typing who are well-verses in Nardi's research still come to very different conclusions that they're just so dang sure of because the evidence (appears to) "back it up".

    My theory is that we can each see the same pieces, but we integrate them into our mental models and various worldviews quite differently, so who's really right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    It's worth noting that many supposed "experts" at the art of typing who are well-verses in Nardi's research still come to very different conclusions that they're just so dang sure of because the evidence (appears to) "back it up".

    My theory is that we can each see the same pieces, but we integrate them into our mental models and various worldviews quite differently, so who's really right?
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