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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    That face looks less like Phlegmatic and more like Frightened.
    There's also which looks sort of phlegmatic, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    That face looks less like Phlegmatic and more like Frightened.
    That face looked perfect to me. The Phlegmatic is just plain in description. They eyes are just drawn as vertical rectangles.

    Of course, all five faces are represented in my avatar.

    Also, your temperament for the most part matches the type you're going with now, But still, you always seemed more N (and E) to me.

    Also, should point out that even with this table, INTP's are apparently going to tend to identify with Melancholy in Control ("I don't control you, so don't control me") more. I probably would if I had seen a table like this first.

    But again, this is subject to the influence of the Inclusion temperament, which tempers the Control. I believe NT's are really Choleric in Control, which fits their characteristic need for "mastery". However, INT's likely won't start out approaching others saying "I'm the boss!" Because their expressed Inclusion is low, (represented by the I), and this is what determines how they approach others. If they're also a P, they introvert their judgment, and tend to be more open in the external world, so this will further temper the "bossiness".

    It's once they're in a relationship, that the "I'm the boss" tendencies will surface more. That's how this table is to be read. The first column tells you who's in the relationship, and once in the reationship the second one then tells you who makes the decisions, and this can manifest as simply how much one needs to have one's own way, even if it means choosing not to make decisions is they can't do it their way.
    (Which is what happens with me a lot).

    So, Phlegmatic in Inclusion means you can take people or leave them. So you (@OP) will tend to not approach many people, and be passive or noncomittal with them, so you won't appear to have an "I'm the boss" attitude a lot.
    Then, Affection tells you how you are when the relationship becomes deeper, or at least how deep you want it to be. So Supine is going to be even more passive and agreeable than Phlegmatic. So this even further tempers the Control. (And it's the deepest level of the person?s temperament, and according to the FIRO theorists, the thus most important).

    So this is why these methods aren't the most accurate (the actual test is), and can only give an approximation (though they seem to be close for most!)
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
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    I always thought of myself as phlegmatic-choleric (yes, seriously).

    But from this:
    Inclusion - Sanguine
    Control - Choleric
    Affection - Sanguine
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    Interesting stuff.

    Inclusion: Phlegmatic

    Control: Choleric

    Affection: Melancholy
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    Following this chart I would type myself accordingly;

    Inclusion: Supine
    Control: Melancholy
    Affection: Melancholy

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    Wow, that last one would be way off (though I allow that Affection could represent the Interaction Style as well; and this would make it fit perfectly for muji as well), but it's funny that you have "Melancholy-Choleric" in your signature. Which test did you get that from? One of the four temperament tests we've done here? (Trying to figure why you would identify with Choleric there, but the totally opposite Supine, here).
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    That face looked perfect to me. The Phlegmatic is just plain in description. They eyes are just drawn as vertical rectangles.

    Of course, all five faces are represented in my avatar.

    Also, your temperament for the most part matches the type you're going with now, But still, you always seemed more N (and E) to me.

    Also, should point out that even with this table, INTP's are apparently going to tend to identify with Melancholy in Control ("I don't control you, so don't control me") more. I probably would if I had seen a table like this first.

    But again, this is subject to the influence of the Inclusion temperament, which tempers the Control. I believe NT's are really Choleric in Control, which fits their characteristic need for "mastery". However, INT's likely won't start out approaching others saying "I'm the boss!" Because their expressed Inclusion is low, (represented by the I), and this is what determines how they approach others. If they're also a P, they introvert their judgment, and tend to be more open in the external world, so this will further temper the "bossiness".

    It's once they're in a relationship, that the "I'm the boss" tendencies will surface more. That's how this table is to be read. The first column tells you who's in the relationship, and once in the reationship the second one then tells you who makes the decisions, and this can manifest as simply how much one needs to have one's own way, even if it means choosing not to make decisions is they can't do it their way.
    (Which is what happens with me a lot).

    So, Phlegmatic in Inclusion means you can take people or leave them. So you (@OP) will tend to not approach many people, and be passive or noncomittal with them, so you won't appear to have an "I'm the boss" attitude a lot.
    Then, Affection tells you how you are when the relationship becomes deeper, or at least how deep you want it to be. So Supine is going to be even more passive and agreeable than Phlegmatic. So this even further tempers the Control. (And it's the deepest level of the person?s temperament, and according to the FIRO theorists, the thus most important).

    So this is why these methods aren't the most accurate (the actual test is), and can only give an approximation (though they seem to be close for most!)
    Interesting. I've never actually been in a relationship (if a romantic relationship is what you were implying), so I can't say what sort of tendencies will emerge, but I just can't see myself as choleric in any way. I don't act like the boss even when I am the boss. When I'm in a leadership position, I act more phlegmatic in Control. I don't like to be in charge or make decisions for a group, so I would rather get other people to offer their ideas, like a democracy. But otherwise, I'm melancholy in that I don't like people telling me what to do because I never tell other people what to do.

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    It doesn't have to be a romantic relationship. Any close relationship.

    Perhaps even "I'm the boss" is misleading, because again, this is affected by one's social temperament. I'm hardly ever in leadership positions. One time when I was, was in boot camp (Air Force), when I was randomly appointed in charge of the cleanup of the chow hall (including the Instructors tables). Here was the perfect opportunity to be barking orders at others, yet my Inclusion still made me too nervous and passive. I did like the sense of authority, but just wasn't used to it, or confident enough. I have to be really a master at something before I can be confident like that.
    In my current job, I've hit a basic glass ceiling because to move up, even to the lowest levels of supervision, requires better ability to "play the game" with people, with a lot of dirty dealing I often hear of. I wouldn't know how hard or lenient to be with people, or how much to take or resit from higher ups (don't want people getting over or runnig over me, but then don't want them all hating me either. You can also look at this in terms of inferior Fe. My plans here were to move up to something not supervisory, but it seems supervision is all else there is this agency).

    So overall, I too seem more like a Phlegmatic in Control, who moves others to action and tries to be a diplomat between them (and thus also make me seem NFish); or Melancholy in Control, when I resist control by others. My wife even comments on that sometimes when I'm not being decisive, sometimes even going as far as to say "and you're supposed to be Choleric!" (And she's the one who tested me as one!)

    This again is from having such a diametrically opposite Inclusion pulling you the other way. And with the Phlegmatic, it's not as opposite, but nevertheless lacks the energy
    So again, it will instead come out more in the form of wanting your own way more than others, and pushing for it in more passive ways, and in competitiveness and oneupmanship in conflict or debate. (Which will be more visible in our E counterparts, but we're certainly that way too, just slower and quieter about it).
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
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    I tend towards the same pattern as Within mine I think is more Sanguine however.

    Supine - Sanguine - Supine

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    So you're an INTP too?
    I notice that some NTP's do come out as Sanguine. Like ol' Xander, who had taken the actual FIRO-B and was the first ever person online I could compare the temperaments to type, scored as something that amounted to a Sanguine-Phlegmatic blend.

    Where Melancholy shares with Choleric the low wanted Control (which amounts to structure-focus), the Sanguine shares the high expressed Control (pragmatism). So I look at that as a close match as well.
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
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