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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Mr. Wolf. The infuriating thing about reading your post was it was simply all wrong and based entirely on your own views and beliefs, whereas I actually consulted political texts to back up my assessments. Liberalism literally does mean a rejection of authority. The political implications of the word only began in the Enlightenment and have continued on to modern time. It was also conservatives who labeled the left "liberal".

    Hippy/social liberals are just as much liberal as free market liberals. Social liberals don't force social equality, or take hand outs from the government, they live their lives as they will regardless of how the authority structure says they should. You actually should do a little reading before imposing your own opinions on the topic at hand. Seriously, just because you and all your right-wing minded liberal buddies define yourself as "true liberals" doesn't make it true. You value a "free market" system over "social liberties" and that naturally puts you to the right.

    I can't even be bothered to argue the rest of your post since most of it is clearly based entirely on your own opinion. It saddens me that your view is so narrow that the only way you conceive of valuing social equality is by imposing it on others.

    Ug...I hate it when people come in and assert their own opinion as fact. Why do I even bother reading up on these political philosophies and their histories if a bunch of INTJs are going to redefine them?
    Actually, you're completely wrong, do not understand what I said (clearly, since you mistook what I said for the exact opposite and claimed I held positions I do not), and your sources are skewed due to their biases, which you accept without questioning. When your sources are skewed, as yours are, you will never see reality nor understand others. Clean your glasses and take care of your problems before you come out to play with us.

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    you could debate with me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Actually, you're completely wrong, do not understand what I said (clearly, since you mistook what I said for the exact opposite and claimed I held positions I do not), and your sources are skewed due to their biases, which you accept without questioning. When your sources are skewed, as yours are, you will never see reality nor understand others. Clean your glasses and take care of your problems before you come out to play with us.

    Independent thought is dead. No wonder socialism is so popular.
    I actually went and read the political philosophies in question as written by the political philosophers. Hobbes, Locke, etc. It seems to me that your sources are what are skewed.
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    Moved from Graveyard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    Moved from Graveyard.
    Doesn't this thread belong in politics and philosophy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    To address a couple of points here... I honestly don't believe in inheritance. I consider heirs to fortunes as valid as heirs to crowns.
    All right. Then give your inheritance to the poor. Let me keep mine.

    EDIT: of course it's hypothetical! You're Intuitive, right?
    I know. I was just stating my frusteration that I don't actually have the kind of wealth we're talking about, so I don't know everything it takes to maintain it. But I believe my principle is sound. Yours is just different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    What constitutes ludicrously inappropriate? I bet many people that we consider poor here would be considered rich by many living in third world ghettos or refugee camps. Would the poor here be willing to give over a large portion of there money to help those who are more poor?
    Well, I'm glad I kept reading, because I was going to post just this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post
    When necessary, of course. Why not?
    Yeah, why not? The problem with people in this country today is that they've been tamed by the government. Desensitized. I bet the thought of revolution doesn't ever even enter the average American's head.

    "Well, the government fucked me over again. Oh fiddlesticks."

    *as he sits down and munches on Doritos*

    If you can change what's wrong by following the laws of the government and diplomatically, then all the power to you. When that fails, I'm grabbin the shotgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByMySword View Post
    Well, I'm glad I kept reading, because I was going to post just this.
    It's funny because I'm just a very poor college student and I help however I can. It seems people's attitudes have a lot more to do with what portion of their income and time they contribute to helping others, than how much money they have.
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