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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Oh, come now. My point is that other factors have to be altered before a flat tax is adopted. Part of the reason we even have the rich get taxed more is because of what a ludicrously innapropriate amount of money they make.
    Creating a flat tax before we've attempted to balance other aspects of the field would only inflame the inequality problem.
    What constitutes ludicrously inappropriate? I bet many people that we consider poor here would be considered rich by many living in third world ghettos or refugee camps. Would the poor here be willing to give over a large portion of there money to help those who are more poor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    How so? Virtually the only thing stopping people would be morals. I assure you that if I knew the government was going to take a large portion of my money upon my death, I wouldn't report it and I would make sure my family got it and knew how to spend it without getting caught.
    For some reason I get the feeling that *most* men/people would agree with this/his sentiment.

    Life is *inherently* difficult. Both as individuals and as parents, I think we instinctively intend to not only make our own lives easier, but to make that of our children's lives easier, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Hahaha. The ENFP I know proclaims herself an anarchist but usually advocates Socialist policies in practice!
    You silly things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post
    Who cares? Where SHOULD it go? Only then should you find out where it DOES go, and see where there are incongruities.
    I don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    I don't get it.
    Nobody understands me!

    But sir, your opinion is wrong.
    TANSTAAFL!

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    ^He pronks, too! Magic Poriferan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    What constitutes ludicrously inappropriate? I bet many people that we consider poor here would be considered rich by many living in third world ghettos or refugee camps. Would the poor here be willing to give over a large portion of there money to help those who are more poor?
    I based my terms entirely on proportions. Large and small amounts of wealth are not define by finite standards, but rather percentages of the accumulated national wealthy.

    As for giving to people in other countries: That's a matter of foreign policy. You can try to give to others, but I don't think it would be a good idea, because this country needs to work itself out better before it could effectively nurture other countries.
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    Mr. Galt, no, I wasn't saying I didn't understand *you*, I was saying that I didn't understand what you were stating, i.e. your point.

    I would love to understand you better, by better understanding your POV (though there are no guaranties), so if you care to be understood better, please elucidate.

    Either way, it's all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Mr. Galt, no, I wasn't saying I didn't understand *you*, I was saying that I didn't understand what you were stating, i.e. your point.

    I would love to understand you better, by better understanding your POV (though there are no guaranties), so if you care to be understood better, please elucidate.

    Either way, it's all good.
    My point is that what exists should have little influence on your ideas of what should be. Nothing more.
    But sir, your opinion is wrong.
    TANSTAAFL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Galt View Post
    My point is that what exists should have little influence on your ideas of what should be. Nothing more.
    Ah, OK!!!!

    Gotcha.

    But if I want to construct a *reasonable* model as to what the world *should* be like, wouldn't it be necessary for me to have adequate knowledge on how the world *actually is* in order to efficiently/accurately model what it should be???

    And, uh, hey... I thought I was supposed to be the idealistic one here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Ah, OK!!!!

    Gotcha.

    But if I want to construct a *reasonable* model as to what the world *should* be like, wouldn't it be necessary for me to have adequate knowledge on how the world *actually is* in order to efficiently/accurately model what it should be???

    And, uh, hey... I thought I was supposed to be the idealistic one here...
    Apparantly you haven't read Ayn Rand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChick View Post
    Ah, OK!!!!

    Gotcha.

    But if I want to construct a *reasonable* model as to what the world *should* be like, wouldn't it be necessary for me to have adequate knowledge on how the world *actually* is in order to efficiently/accurately model what it should be???
    The creators of the first "government" had nothing to base their model on. You have at least an average (although because you are posting in a political thread I'd say above average) knowledge of government. Also, like any good system, a good political/governmental system functions logically, a form of thought everybody is capable of.

    And, uh, hey... I thought I was supposed to be the idealistic one here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Apparantly you haven't read Ayn Rand.
    Eh? What does she have to do with this? An idealistic INTJ?
    You read her books. Why don't you help us out?
    But sir, your opinion is wrong.
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