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    introverted perception is to use an object, to anker something subjective in it. the subjective thing does not have to be personal and it does not have to be unreal. (but it is often. it could be ethnocentric, or human .... subjective)

    to anker a state of mind or being into a symbol is indeed one possible version of introverdet perception.
    so when cinnamon reminds you of christmas, this is a normal memory, and you could indulge in it often for emotional resons (navigated by cognitive Fi), but once you begin to paint an image, using cinnamon instead of brown color, because your image is about the birth of christ and the depicted religious image feels more alive to you, when painted with cinnamon, then this is an example of introverted perception.

    another example is carrying around a toygun, not larger than a piece of money (ie playmobile), not intending to practically play with it, not to remind you of either playmobile or childhood, but to evoke the feeling of being like a cowboy, which also coincidentally happens to be a memory, since you learned about the cowboy feeling in movies, which you have seen in the past.

    it is subjective!!! you may carry around a toygun for any other amount of reasons, same for using a spice in a painting


    to subjectively anker a sense of greateness or decay or evolution of society or being a servant (what ever you want) in an item like an uniform may also be Pi

    the difference between Pi and what everybody else does, when they are using symbolic ankering, is that Pi is verry conscious and individualized about what somethign means to them, while other people mostly addopt the common sense symbolism, and dont give much thought to it. to most people a unifrom is stricktly about bein a member of the military, nothing else, exept they may have personal feelings about what it means to be a member. the Pi user does not have to be a member, he may wish to wear a uniform for subjective reasons, even when he does not even theoretically like to be a member. it may be pure irony to him. obviosly many fashion trends (like punk) are invented by Pi (and imitated by Pe). the Pi user feels alienated and de-personalized, if his subjective symbolizm is taken away/argued/misunderstood, because he fears loosing himself, loosing touch with the motives of his soul. or, of collective soul. because, as i said, subjective does not have to be personal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Then you like the other Si pics?
    i'd associate both of those with se, they're people connecting with the environment through thrill-seeking activities.

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    Se(Ni)?

    [YOUTUBE="CFWX0hWCbng"]Blow - Kesha[/YOUTUBE]

    [YOUTUBE="T-sxSd1uwoU"]I Wanna Go - Britney[/YOUTUBE]

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    LOL she's so Se/Fi. I don't understand why anyone would think she's SFJ. I have a soft spot for Britney. It's not her fault she's bipolar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    introverted perception is to use an object, to anker something subjective in it. the subjective thing does not have to be personal and it does not have to be unreal.

    to anker a state of mind or being into a symbol is indeed one possible version of introverdet perception.
    so when cinnamon reminds you of christmas, this is a normal memory, and you could indulge in it often for emotional resons (navigated by cognitive Fi), but once you begin to paint an image, using cinnamon instead of brown color, because your image is about the birth of christ and the depicted religious image feels more alive to you, when painted with cinnamon, then this is an example of introverted perception.

    another example is carrying around a toygun, not larger than a piece of money (ie playmobile), not intending to practically play with it, not to remind you of either playmobile or childhood, but to evoke the feeling of being like a cowboy, which also coincidentally happens to be a memory, since you learned about the cowboy feeling in movies, which you have seen in the past.

    it is subjective!!! you may carry around a toygun for any other amount of reasons, same for using a spice in a painting


    to subjectively anker a sense of greateness or decay or evolution of society or being a servant (what ever you want) in an item like an uniform may also be Pi

    the difference between Pi and what everybody else does, when they are using symbolic ankering, is that Pi is verry conscious and individualized about what somethign means to them, while other people mostly addopt the common sense symbolism, and dont give much thought to it. to most people a unifrom is stricktly about bein a member of the military, nothing else, exept they may have personal feelings about what it means to be a member. the Pi user does not have to be a member, he may wish to wear a uniform for subjective reasons, even when he does not even theoretically like to be a member. it may be pure irony to him. obviosly many fashion trends (like punk) are based on Pi. the Pi user feels alienated and de-personalized, if his subjective symbolizm is taken away/argued/misunderstood, because he fears loosing himself, loosing touch with the motives of his soul. or, of collective soul. because, as i said, subjective does not have to be personal.
    This is very interesting. But how can you distingish Extroverted intuitive perceivers from Introverted perceivers when Ne connects metaphors or symbolism, isn't this almost always rooted in some subjectivity? Or would you say that Ne's symbolism and metaphor is more universally and objectivley expressed? Can you give me an example of objective intuition vs subjective intutiion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I have a soft spot for Britney.
    Me too. And I love the ending of that video. I like Kesha's as well...ridiculous fun, the enthusiastic (!) lack of subtlety paired with some form of ironical outlandishness.

    Was talking about the videos more than the performers though, in so far as you can separate those two.

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    dont forgett, its allways about how you see it, not about the image. so what you see when you look at this image may be something else than Pi.
    but when an individual goes to great length, to indulge intro expression of himself, by mixing styles in a way, that is cryptically symbolic (only makes sense to him) then its not far fetched, to assume that the motivation is Pi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    I LOVE MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE. And yes, I'm a grown woman.

    Do you think this picture is Se/Ni?

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    im not going to say much about Ne because i dont want to argue with Ne users and i am not an Ne user myself, but Ne is about interaction and relation (of anything, including symbolic stuff), its not so much about representing something or indulging in something that is sort of static or repetitive (like Pi), as it is about relating (and Ti inserts the creative inventor spirit).

    Pi is attracted to states (conditions) and to the nature of units, it's about mono-themes like texture or vibrance, or frequence, or growth, or intrinsic explosion/expansion or figures, postures, transformations, always centering around units, the unit may be an individual or abstract: humanity or anything.

    Pe is attracted to themes of interaction. push pull, deformation, about explosive mixtures, or relations like "paper stone scissors". a symbol like a uniform may more likely be taken to mean: "i am a comrade of my fellow men, and i am a force of defese to my country" both being themes of interaction/relation.

    instead of "i am a heroic figure, and my choir represents the freedom of the US" which would be centered around themes of single units, character of self and nation. this interpretation of a unifrom would be closer to Pi.

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    the artist behind the image is called neil krug sing, i am not saying more about the image, than that it totally resonates with my Pi. i am not even interested in differenciating Ni Si right now. the subjective movement of perception is more interesting, in general. i could imagine, that the image depicts Ni/Se(shadow) better/more likely than Si/Ne(shadow), but i am just imagininig ...

    i don't know chemical romance, but i think their style screams Pi too.

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