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    Default The purpose of Pi, Je, Pe, and Ji

    I've been trying to figure out the purpose of each functional orientation.

    Like Ji seems to help define your identity and know what is truly important to you.

    Pe seems to help explore new avenues and learn and act as you go without prior experience

    Je is proactive and helps get control of situations to get the desired goal/outcome and implement frameworks in objective terms.

    I have a harder time understanding Pi, but it seems to be something you can anchor yourself to, experience/insights that is very reliable, something you can trust. I wish I could write more about what each of them means.
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    ditto. Pi (this would be like introverted intuitives and sensors right?) i have more difficulty understanding versus any other functions.
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    Pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 79821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081 28481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381 96442881097566593344612847564823378678316527120190 91456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412 73724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364 36789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160 9...

    It's used to calculate things related to circles.
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    the article on Kepinski's information metabolism has some interesting points, there is a link to it here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...e=2#post774209

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    I've been trying to figure out the purpose of each functional orientation.

    Like Ji seems to help define your identity and know what is truly important to you.

    Pe seems to help explore new avenues and learn and act as you go without prior experience

    Je is proactive and helps get control of situations to get the desired goal/outcome and implement frameworks in objective terms.

    I have a harder time understanding Pi, but it seems to be something you can anchor yourself to, experience/insights that is very reliable, something you can trust. I wish I could write more about what each of them means.
    That is a good way to describe Pi. Its users are a bit like sailors! Pi signals our transitory position by pinging or evaluating our location in relation to the tangible or intangible things around us. Si-doms use dead reckoning, Ni-doms use celestial navigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robopop View Post
    I've been trying to figure out the purpose of each functional orientation.

    Like Ji seems to help define your identity and know what is truly important to you.

    Pe seems to help explore new avenues and learn and act as you go without prior experience

    Je is proactive and helps get control of situations to get the desired goal/outcome and implement frameworks in objective terms.

    I have a harder time understanding Pi, but it seems to be something you can anchor yourself to, experience/insights that is very reliable, something you can trust. I wish I could write more about what each of them means.
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    ditto. Pi (this would be like introverted intuitives and sensors right?) i have more difficulty understanding versus any other functions.
    Despite being an IJ, I confess that Pi was also one of the hardest function types for me to understand as well. I'll share what I understand of it now, but first it helps to understand it relative to the other functions.

    The judging functions are all prioritising in nature. Pi does indeed help you determine what is important... but so does Je. They just do it differently. Ji more concerned with ideas of worth and enrichment while Je is concerned with utility and necessity. If you like, Ji assesses by personal values, while Je asses by what the external world needs.

    The percieving functions are non-prioritising, in and of themselves. They are more to do with the balance between action and restraint, spontinaity and planning ahead. Pe users feel an urge to explore and experiment. Pi users spend much more time planning things out and simply considering things to see if they really are certain of what they know/understand. Thus IJs send a lot of time considering the boundaries of their plans and capabilities. Strong Pi users have well developed sense that self control, understanding before you act and knowing yourself is very important.

    Both functions gain some measure of direction from whatever judging functions they are hooked up to.

    A lot of IPs will be shouting "But I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff too!" and indeed they do. Recall that IPs have Ji in the tertiary position, which is expressed frequently, often more than the auxillary.

    As an aside, looking at the functions this way helped me understand a problem that used to bug me - why are ESFPs sociable? It confused me because they are not strong Fe users. Once I understood that Fe wasn't about social interaction so much as social necessity it became easier to understand its abscence from the ESFPs concious functions. Their socialability comes from Se and Fi. Se seeks experience, and Fi channels it towards things of social, moral or emotion significance. In other words, Fi guides Se towards people and all the stimulation thay can provide.
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    What Robopop and Andy said seem to describe the functions very well.
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    A lot of IPs will be shouting "But I spend a lot of time thinking about stuff too!" and indeed they do. Recall that IPs have Ji in the tertiary position, which is expressed frequently, often more than the auxillary.
    I guess that, as introverts, IPs spend lots of time thinking, not because of their tertiary, but because of their dominant function, that is introverted. As a Ji, a IP would think not about planning stuff or clarifying what one already knows, but would reconsider one's values, what is most important for the IP, what is true and what is not and do what the Fi and the Ti typically do, mostly thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfa View Post
    What Robopop and Andy said seem to describe the functions very well.


    I guess that, as introverts, IPs spend lots of time thinking, not because of their tertiary, but because of their dominant function, that is introverted. As a Ji, a IP would think not about planning stuff or clarifying what one already knows, but would reconsider one's values, what is most important for the IP, what is true and what is not and do what the Fi and the Ti typically do, mostly thinking.
    You are quite right that IPs spend more time thinking about Ji orientated material than they do Pi stuff. I guess I didn't do a very good job of explaining myself there. I was mostly just trying to explain why IPs will often touch on the type of things more expected of an IJ.
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