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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    hmmmm.... I don't know about that one. Seems like people can have any number of random reactions under stress, especially as they get older, that seems a little too murky to hold up. Especially if someone has a relatively relaxed and predictable lifestyle, and 95 percent of the time they are happy.... Only 5 percent of the time they are revealing their true selves? I'm inclined to think that you're true type is the one that offers the most comfort for your growing needs, so it attempts to cover your processes for the highest percentage of time, (so you can improve and learn and grow with the basic model.)
    I think it's substantial to say that people carry the neuroses of the unconsciously rejected self. To prefer a personality type is to reject it's opposite. Some people show markedly different defense mechanisms or reactions to the same situations, and those are usually based in childhood. I think it's pretty safe to say you can type someone by their typical neuroses as well as their strong points, and that is in fact how Jung did it in the beginning. This is actually where we get typology from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I think it's substantial to say that people carry the neuroses of the unconsciously rejected self. To prefer a personality type is to reject it's opposite. Some people show markedly different defense mechanisms or reactions to the same situations, and those are usually based in childhood. I think it's pretty safe to say you can type someone by their typical neuroses as well as their strong points, and that is in fact how Jung did it in the beginning. This is actually where we get typology from.

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    Yeah, it's definitely safe to say you can type someone based on their faults and under stress, as part of the picture, but "true self" seems like kind of a stretch. Like, ESTJ acting opposite under stress is not an INFP popping through the shell, he's just a normally healthy ESTJ under stress to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Yeah, it's definitely safe to say you can type someone based on their faults and under stress, as part of the picture, but "true self" seems like kind of a stretch. Like, ESTJ acting opposite under stress is not an INFP popping through the shell, he's just a normally healthy ESTJ under stress to me.
    I agree with this. And I think it's also kind of what OrangeAppled said as well. (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I think it's substantial to say that people carry the neuroses of the unconsciously rejected self. To prefer a personality type is to reject it's opposite. Some people show markedly different defense mechanisms or reactions to the same situations, and those are usually based in childhood. I think it's pretty safe to say you can type someone by their typical neuroses as well as their strong points, and that is in fact how Jung did it in the beginning. This is actually where we get typology from.

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    I guess what I don't get is - do stress types always have to be your direct opposite type? Would it be impossible for an ESTP to act like an ISFP under enormous stress?
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    Another theory states... X00X the two X's switch directions an EP becomes IJ. That's opposite within it's realm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Yeah, it's definitely safe to say you can type someone based on their faults and under stress, as part of the picture, but "true self" seems like kind of a stretch. Like, ESTJ acting opposite under stress is not an INFP popping through the shell, he's just a normally healthy ESTJ under stress to me.
    Well generally speaking, if we were to parallel this towards the enneagram, a stressed ESTJ would be like an unhealthy INFP, sort of like a stressed 9 would look like the unhealthy side of 6. But even so, that person's type would be type 9. It is just the stress is making that person look like a 6.

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    Most people tend to think their best self is their real self. It protects the ego. No wonder depressed people think their worst self is their real self. The real self is somewhere in the middle, a place most people are gonna avoid like the plague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Most people tend to think their best self is their real self. It protects the ego. No wonder depressed people think their worst self is their real self. The real self is somewhere in the middle, a place most people are gonna avoid like the plague.
    I disagree. A truly healthy person is their whole self all the time. Of course, that's rare, and I'm not there yet. Also, people are complex and are tough to pin under 4 letters. The types we give ourselves are what we are for a majority of the time because that's much easier than listing what we are for every single moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyk View Post
    I disagree. A truly healthy person is their whole self all the time. Of course, that's rare, and I'm not there yet. Also, people are complex and are tough to pin under 4 letters. The types we give ourselves are what we are for a majority of the time because that's much easier than listing what we are for every single moment.
    Well, I suppose. I think "healthy" is a spectrum though. Like, you can be healthy but not being yourself all the time, no matter what. Someone that you're talking about would be more of a self actualized person. (Enneagram again, but has some truth to it.)
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