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    If you are in the I/E border would that mean that you like to spend just as much time alone as you do around other people?


    Also, how might one tell the difference between an introvert who gets energized by doing things alone, and one who can't get along with people and thus withdraws from them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    If you are in the I/E border would that mean that you like to spend just as much time alone as you do around other people?


    Also, how might one tell the difference between an introvert who gets energized by doing things alone, and one who can't get along with people and thus withdraws from them?
    Even if you aren't very familiar with cognitive functions yet in the theory you'd be saying that you use your extroverted functions almost as equally as you use your introverted functions, which in my opinion is a good thing to train, though preference is still key; however, if you're as balanced as one can get on all of your function uses I would think that you would work more efficiently when problem solving.

    I don't know if you have read this somewhere or not, but to Jung Introverted and Extroverted functions are always in reference to an object (whatever that may be).

    As such:

    Extroverts place importance on the object i.e. the object is more important to them.
    Introverts place importance upon themselves i.e. they're more important.

    An example Jung gives is belief in religion. He presents one man who loses his religion, but is completely fine because it was merely a tool for himself that he no longer needed. This was the introvert. While the extrovert was crushed by the lack of religion (he was excommunicated) because he'd put his entire self into that religion and he was nothing without it, making it more important.

    As for your second question. I think it would be shown by the willingness to interact with people. The introvert that wants time alone, still wants to at some point join (if they aren't completely hermit like). While even after being offered to go the other would strongly reject the idea of interacting with people at any point in time. How do you see this? Well, you'd just have to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    Even if you aren't very familiar with cognitive functions yet in the theory you'd be saying that you use your extroverted functions almost as equally as you use your introverted functions, which in my opinion is a good thing to train, though preference is still key; however, if you're as balanced as one can get on all of your function uses I would think that you would work more efficiently when problem solving.

    I don't know if you have read this somewhere or not, but to Jung Introverted and Extroverted functions are always in reference to an object (whatever that may be).

    As such:

    Extroverts place importance on the object i.e. the object is more important to them.
    Introverts place importance upon themselves i.e. they're more important.

    An example Jung gives is belief in religion. He presents one man who loses his religion, but is completely fine because it was merely a tool for himself that he no longer needed. This was the introvert. While the extrovert was crushed by the lack of religion (he was excommunicated) because he'd put his entire self into that religion and he was nothing without it, making it more important.

    As for your second question. I think it would be shown by the willingness to interact with people. The introvert that wants time alone, still wants to at some point join (if they aren't completely hermit like). While even after being offered to go the other would strongly reject the idea of interacting with people at any point in time. How do you see this? Well, you'd just have to ask.
    Hmm, okay. I'll have to think about the introvert and extrovert thing more then. Thanks for your insights.

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    this wanting to spend time with people is a result of I or E, not the definition, and because its a result of that and there are other factors to it too, some extraverts can end up not liking to be around people much and some introverts might need that ALOT more than many extraverts.

    anyways, according to jung, extraverted functions place importance/meaning to object(let it be a car, person or a cat), this importance comes from inside, its moving from inside to outside. introverted functions withdraw from object by getting rid of unnecessary aspects of it, its moving from outside to inside. naturally introverts have introverted function as first function, so they try to withdraw from object more habitually. extraverted types place importance to object more habitually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Also, how might one tell the difference between an introvert who gets energized by doing things alone, and one who can't get along with people and thus withdraws from them?
    Introverts may not show they like you with enthusiasm, but if they like you, they will make an effort to see you. They may not reach out often, but they will reach out. In my experience, that is common among all introverts.

    The following is probably more of an INFJ thing: There have been people in my life who I had no interest in befriending who incessantly reached out to me when there was no reciprocation on my end. I couldn't refuse their invitations because I had no other plans and I refused to lie. They couldn't pick up on my indifference towards them because I would meet them where we could connect - I will bend over backwards if I have to; everyone has value and something interesting to say. You just have to ask the right questions. It doesn't help that I'm a Humanitarian by nature - I suppose people sense that and confuse it with fondness. But I am very selective with whom I choose to hang out with even though I simply get along with everyone, but whether or not I like you enough to reach out to you is the question.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    Extroverts place importance on the object i.e. the object is more important to them.
    Introverts place importance upon themselves i.e. they're more important.
    Is that the textbook definition? Can't say I agree with the man. Sounds like he's saying introverts seek the spotlight yet in my experience extroverts by default would fit that description better.

    My understanding of E/I in it's most basic sense is extroverts have a preference for extroverting thoughts while introverts prefer introverting thoughts; extroverting/interacting for introverts is draining while extroverting/interacting for extroverts is energizing.

    I also agree with Wikipedia's more indepth outline:

    • Extraverts are action oriented, while introverts are thought oriented.
    • Extraverts seek breadth of knowledge and influence, while introverts seek depth of knowledge and influence.
    • Extraverts often prefer more frequent interaction, while introverts prefer more substantial interaction.
    • Extraverts recharge and get their energy from spending time with people, while introverts recharge and get their energy from spending time alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by lane777 View Post
    Introverts mayIs that the textbook definition? Can't say I agree with the man. Sounds like he's saying introverts seek the spotlight yet in my experience extroverts by default would fit that description better.

    My understanding of E/I in it's most basic sense is extroverts have a preference for extroverting thoughts while introverts prefer introverting thoughts; extroverting/interacting for introverts is draining while extroverting/interacting for extroverts is energizing.

    I also agree with Wikipedia's more indepth outline:

    • Extraverts are action oriented, while introverts are thought oriented.
    • Extraverts seek breadth of knowledge and influence, while introverts seek depth of knowledge and influence.
    • Extraverts often prefer more frequent interaction, while introverts prefer more substantial interaction.
    • Extraverts recharge and get their energy from spending time with people, while introverts recharge and get their energy from spending time alone
    It's not really what's meant by it. Simply that an introvert takes what it needs from the object. Making it more subjective, because it isn't really about the object, but about themselves. When you're introspecting you're figuring out how the environment fits to you, as when you extrovert you're figuring out how you fit into your environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    It's not really what's meant by it. Simply that an introvert takes what it needs from the object. Making it more subjective, because it isn't really about the object, but about themselves. When you're introspecting you're figuring out how the environment fits to you, as when you extrovert you're figuring out how you fit into your environment.
    So the introvert is self absorbed in their interactions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lane777 View Post
    So the introvert is self absorbed in their interactions?
    They've just extracted what they've needed from the object. I should also note the fact that we all have introverted functions. So selfishness shouldn't be limited to the introvert, just an introverted function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    They've just extracted what they've needed from the object. I should also note the fact that we all have introverted functions. So selfishness shouldn't be limited to the introvert, just an introverted function.
    I don't relate I'm self absorbed yes, but selfishness isn't one of my vices - I also don't see it in introverts as a rule. Perhaps, I'm missing something here because I'm not looking at the full context of this idea. I'll have to look into Jung further I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lane777 View Post
    I don't relate I'm self absorbed yes, but selfishness isn't one of my vices - I also don't see it in introverts as a rule. Perhaps, I'm missing something here because I'm not looking at the full context of this idea. I'll have to look into Jung further I guess.
    They're the same thing? I'm pretty sure they are and no one is saying it's wrong to be selfish, it's just a fact of life. At some point or another we've been selfish. That's why I said an introverted function, not an introvert.

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