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    Ahh, so ENFPs can be correctors too, eh? What I generally read is that ENFPs tend to be stubborn in the sense that they have firmly held beliefs (Fi), but that they tend to try to bring other people to those beliefs through careful persuasion because of their sensitivity to other peoples' feelings.

    Hmm, Keirsey's description posits that ENTPs are 'laid-back and non-judgmental'...a result of the inherent flexibility in their perceiving rather than judging function. So maybe while good debaters when it allows them to explore each side of an issue and increase their body of knowledge, they aren't necessarily adamant on insisting that others conform to those ideas - perhaps that's more ENTJ material?

    While both perceiving rather than judging types, does their Te tertiary possibly imply that ENFPs might have a greater need than ENTPs to attempt to make the external world (and those in it) conform to a certain pattern that's seen as rational, while an ENTP with their auxillary Ti would be content so long as a pattern can be devised within their person?

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    You absolutely OOZE Fe. Like a festering infected wound.

    Try ENFJ/ESFJ on for size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    You absolutely OOZE Fe. Like a festering infected wound.

    Try ENFJ/ESFJ on for size.
    ENTP's have tertiary Fe. I'm not sure how you figured he might be a Judger.
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    Sensitivity doesn't always have all that much to do with T or F. I can be very sentimental. I just hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coco View Post
    So...?

    Not enjoying correcting people is not very ENTP.
    Does this means it can't be ENFP? Absolutely not.
    That was my point. I was being facetious. Sorry. Doesn't go over well on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    ENTP's have tertiary Fe. I'm not sure how you figured he might be a Judger.
    It seems OTT Fe for an ENTP. Tertiary can be strong, but it seems to dominate him.

    If he's got Ne after that ---> ESFJ.

    ESFJ is not a 4-letter word (well...) nor is it a death sentence. ESFJs judge with Fe rather than Te, so they can be downright fun and sprightly. Their care for the group makes them seem socially P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiharu View Post
    That was my point. I was being facetious. Sorry. Doesn't go over well on the internet.
    Oh sorry, I didn't get it. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    It seems OTT Fe for an ENTP. Tertiary can be strong, but it seems to dominate him.

    If he's got Ne after that ---> ESFJ.

    ESFJ is not a 4-letter word (well...) nor is it a death sentence. ESFJs judge with Fe rather than Te, so they can be downright fun and sprightly. Their care for the group makes them seem socially P.

    Dominate me? Why, my girlfriend takes care of that...(hehe, sorry, dirty mind XD)

    AHEM - oh contrare, I tried the lovely EXFJs on for size and they sound wonderful! I must say I was quite flattered that you think I come across as someone who would be that good with people - I wish, haha! But, like that lovely dress shirt that's available in EVERY darn size except your own...as attractive as it looks, I'm just not sure it would quite fit. I genuinely care about others, but...I've never been very skilled at sensing what other people are feeling, remembering their names, etc.

    The main issue would be with the N and J aspects of the equation. Concerning the former I'm a theoretician first and always: I work in the sciences, and for everything I see my first thought is invariably in the form of 'what COULD this be?'...to the extent that I have almost no sense of what's ACTUALLY going on in the herenow before my eyes! In other words, I'm the sort of fellow who will be so preoccupied on how shoelaces could be implemented to solve the world's energy crisis, that I'd walk to work forgetting to tie them XD Correct me if I'm wrong or if the implications of cognitive functions can render my assumptions oversimplistic, but that seems like intuition over sensing through-and-through to me!

    Similar with the fourth letter in our four-letter words: it's a universally known (and much-maligned!) truism among my comrades that naturally live by improvisation, making up what I do with every turn live brings my way to the extent that I couldn't plan ahead if my life depended on it; routines are anathema XD I not only enjoy novelty: I REQUIRE it, like the air to wings or the water to fins (get it? They can get by without it, but they'd be useless!) - to the extent that if three days pass and something new hasn't happened I will literally go out of my way to change things around so that it will! I'd say that fairly solidly drops me in the perceiving over judging zone, am I right?

    But indeed, the riddle to my inner psyche does seem to have reached a conundrum in that 'festering ooze of extraverted feeling' you cite! Hmm...if that seems unlikely to be quite so strong even as a developed tertiary in an ENTP, and you agree based on what I've said that the intuitive and perceiving functions are pretty firmly in place there...is it possible I'm an introvert who seems like an extrovert? Do some of the introverted analogs sport a more developed Fe? I do derive my energy from the experiences around me and dislike being alone, and do savor attracting attention and being in the center of crowds and action and have no reservations about sharing every detail of my life with people (privacy, personal space, what are those? XD) - which I took to imply extroversion...but then again, I was and to an extent still am known for a certain level of social awkwardness, even shyness in starting conversations as well. So perhaps I was wrong there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC99 View Post
    But, herein lies the dilemma: I'm also extremely sensitive, sentimental, and affectionate, my feelings are easily hurt, and I tend to be very clingy with people I care about (or have a crush on, hehe), not let go easily, and have a need to feel liked. My impression was that that's strictly ENFP territory. I also detest and tend to avoid arguments, another distinctly ENFP trait; as much as I relish intellectual discussions, I don't enjoy verbal sparring and correcting people; I just worry too much about hurting feelings, something ENTPs reputedly wouldn't devote quite as much thought to. But then again, as deeply as I care about people, when I try to help them my advice and support is invariably fact and logic-based, rarely citing feelings...and some HAVE seen that as a bit cold. The fact that ENTPs have extraverted feelings and that ENFPs are apparently known for exhibiting a more 'professorial' business side would further seem to complicate matters.
    Well, whaddaya think? If all else fails, can you perhaps wager a guess from the nature of my lovely prose?? ;D Thanks everyone!
    You write like you're under the influence of NF. I'm struggling to imagine a male ENTP admitting the following...

    "my feelings are easily hurt, and I tend to be very clingy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisC99 View Post
    Dominate me? Why, my girlfriend takes care of that...(hehe, sorry, dirty mind XD)

    AHEM - oh contrare, I tried the lovely EXFJs on for size and they sound wonderful! I must say I was quite flattered that you think I come across as someone who would be that good with people - I wish, haha! But, like that lovely dress shirt that's available in EVERY darn size except your own...as attractive as it looks, I'm just not sure it would quite fit. I genuinely care about others, but...I've never been very skilled at sensing what other people are feeling, remembering their names, etc.

    The main issue would be with the N and J aspects of the equation. Concerning the former I'm a theoretician first and always: I work in the sciences, and for everything I see my first thought is invariably in the form of 'what COULD this be?'...to the extent that I have almost no sense of what's ACTUALLY going on in the herenow before my eyes! In other words, I'm the sort of fellow who will be so preoccupied on how shoelaces could be implemented to solve the world's energy crisis, that I'd walk to work forgetting to tie them XD Correct me if I'm wrong or if the implications of cognitive functions can render my assumptions oversimplistic, but that seems like intuition over sensing through-and-through to me!

    Similar with the fourth letter in our four-letter words: it's a universally known (and much-maligned!) truism among my comrades that naturally live by improvisation, making up what I do with every turn live brings my way to the extent that I couldn't plan ahead if my life depended on it; routines are anathema XD I not only enjoy novelty: I REQUIRE it, like the air to wings or the water to fins (get it? They can get by without it, but they'd be useless!) - to the extent that if three days pass and something new hasn't happened I will literally go out of my way to change things around so that it will! I'd say that fairly solidly drops me in the perceiving over judging zone, am I right?

    But indeed, the riddle to my inner psyche does seem to have reached a conundrum in that 'festering ooze of extraverted feeling' you cite! Hmm...if that seems unlikely to be quite so strong even as a developed tertiary in an ENTP, and you agree based on what I've said that the intuitive and perceiving functions are pretty firmly in place there...is it possible I'm an introvert who seems like an extrovert? Do some of the introverted analogs sport a more developed Fe? I do derive my energy from the experiences around me and dislike being alone, and do savor attracting attention and being in the center of crowds and action and have no reservations about sharing every detail of my life with people (privacy, personal space, what are those? XD) - which I took to imply extroversion...but then again, I was and to an extent still am known for a certain level of social awkwardness, even shyness in starting conversations as well. So perhaps I was wrong there?
    Oh. My. Lawd.

    ENFP.

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    and yes, there are definitely outgoing introverts. But you've been caught red-handed - Ne'ing all over the place. CASE CLOSED, let's get some pizza!
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