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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    Toward a Diversity of Psychological Type in Organization
    "In order to see the difficulty more clearly, look at the 'INFP'. By the rules of the MBTI game, the 'P' designation indicates that the letter in the third place ('F') identifies the individual's dominant function. The INFP, thus, is an 'introverted feeling type'. But the 'P' also tells us that the INFP is typically an individual who 'remains open', and is not interested in seeking 'closure' (as is the J). The question to ask here is, 'Is it legitimate to make all introverted feeling types with auxiliary iNtuition BY DEFINITION non-closure-seeking (P) types?' Cannot an introverted feeling type with auxiliary iNtuition not be a closure-seeking J? If so, how would we go about 'writing' the name of such a type? It cannot be done using the current MBTI nomenclature!"
    Yup right this is a flawed tenet in MBTI.

    So how do we get 32 types, is it FiNe-P, FiNe-J instead of generic INFP? I can see 32 then, lol, not a bad idea hm.

    I would be TiSe-J myself. And then I could actually have a type in MBTI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by existence View Post
    Yup right this is a flawed tenet in MBTI.

    So how do we get 32 types, is it FiNe-P, FiNe-J instead of generic INFP? I can see 32 then, lol, not a bad idea hm.

    I would be TiSe-J myself. And then I could actually have a type in MBTI...
    You could use that nomenclature, but Fudjack went with inF and iNf.
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."
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    I have found someone on Facebook who identifies as an Fi-dominant with a preference for Judging. She identifies as a type 4.
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    You could use that nomenclature, but Fudjack went with inF and iNf.
    That wasn't correct. He used that nomenclature at the middle point of his article. But at the end he went with inFj and iNfj. The inFj type doesn't exist in traditional MBTI because of its assumption, made in theory, that the function order determines the P or J at the end. It's the Fi-dominant closure-seeking J.

    It's important then to take a functions test to determine the dominant function, but there has to be another test to determine P versus J.
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."

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    yeah... i have a question.

    what does 'plonk' mean?
    All for ourselves and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind. - Adam Smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    yeah... i have a question.

    what does 'plonk' mean?
    Google is your friend, if you want to know.
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."

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    I think the first thing one has to realize is that functions are definitions, not independent things in and of themselves. Given that, there has to be a generally agreed-upon definition to use for each function if anyone ever wants to convince someone of a truth regarding that function. Jung, being the guy that came up with them in the first place, seems like a good source.
    "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reborn Relic View Post
    I think the first thing one has to realize is that functions are definitions, not independent things in and of themselves. Given that, there has to be a generally agreed-upon definition to use for each function if anyone ever wants to convince someone of a truth regarding that function. Jung, being the guy that came up with them in the first place, seems like a good source.
    This isn't about functions, it's about J and P as independent variables in the type nomenclature.
    "But you forget that there is one value that is greater than all others: human freedom. Because no matter how perfectly you set the world up for humanity, they will always rebel simply to exert their own selves. You cannot win."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    what does 'plonk' mean?
    It's a response not terribly creative thinkers use when annoyed.
    From this hour I ordain myself loos’d of limits and imaginary lines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    It's a response not terribly creative thinkers use when annoyed.
    The first known use was in 1989 by Richard Sexton in the alt.flame newsgroup.

    >>Please refrain from posting to talk.bizarre until such time as you
    >>cease to be an asshole and become at least one of: bizarre, creative,
    >>or entertaining. You are welcome to dump your rotting ordure in rec.humor
    >>or some similar group where your fellow mental defectives congregate.

    >Make me.

    *plonk*
    well, this is terribly ironic.
    All for ourselves and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind. - Adam Smith
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