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    Default Introducing the Counter Perceptive P

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    Basically, the Counter Perceptive P is the MBTI equivalent to the counter phobic 6. a counter perceptive P is a Perceiver who exhibits Js tendencies to fit it, appear more respectable, achieve a certain result or to be meet there own ideals of behavior. common traits of a Counter Perceptive P include
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    - excessively orderly
    - desire to remain formal and detached from people
    - an emphasis on being professional, even when not at work
    - strong emphasis on responsibility and hard work
    - abstinence from certain pleasurable activities
    PS: it should be noted that in the Counter Perceptive P. these traits are forced/deliberate. it is not the same thing as a P who has developed his Teritary and Inferior functions naturally
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    Disclaimer: I am completely making this up. so don't go all jung on my ass

    Basically, the Counter Perceptive P is the MBTI equivalent to the counter phobic 6. a counter perceptive P is a Perceiver who exhibits Js tendencies to fit it, appear more respectable, achieve a certain result or to be meet there own ideals of behavior. common traits of a Counter Perceptive P include
    - deliberate seriousness
    - punctuality
    - excessively orderly
    - desire to remain formal and detached from people
    - an emphasis on being professional, even when not at work
    - strong emphasis on responsibility and hard work
    - abstinence from certain pleasurable activities
    PS: it should be noted that in the Counter Perceptive P. these traits are forced/deliberate. it is not the same thing as a P who has developed his Teritary and Inferior functions naturally
    Why do they do this? Under what circumstances?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Why do they do this? Under what circumstances?
    several reasons
    - respect
    - they think that they "should" be more like a J
    - it makes them look more prestigious
    - their doing a very J-ish job and need to go into Je/Pi mode
    - their lifestlye is disadvantageous to their cognitive preferences, for instance, an ENFP farmer is likely to go Counter Perceptive P, an ISFP taking 22 credit hours in college is also likely to turn Counter Perceptive P
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    most frequently, they're in an ordered, regimented work environment that demands excessive professional behavior
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    most frequently, they're in an ordered, regimented work environment that demands excessive professional behavior
    If it's caused by environment, how is it a personality trait? May as well invent a "sad P" - only applicable to Ps who've recently had a family member die.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    If it's caused by environment, how is it a personality trait? May as well invent a "sad P" - only applicable to Ps who've recently had a family member die.
    it's not a personality trait, it's a response to an inherent personality trait, much as phobic and counter phobic 6 are responses to the 6's inherent anxiety. all 6s display both counter phobic and phobic tendencies, but over time they usually develop the habit of being one or the other.
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    Let me rephrase. It's like saying that counterphobic sixes are counterphobic rather than phobic because they work as a skydiving instructor (i.e. rather than the opposite). To my knowledge (?) that's not how it works. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. I'm hearing you say essentially "Ps behave like Js in jobs that expect J behaviour", which to me seems like a situation where giving the P fancy labels is unnecessary.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Let me rephrase. It's like saying that counterphobic sixes are counterphobic rather than phobic because they work as a skydiving instructor (i.e. rather than the opposite). To my knowledge (?) that's not how it works. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you're saying. I'm hearing you say essentially "Ps behave like Js in jobs that expect J behaviour", which to me seems like a situation where giving the P fancy labels is unnecessary.
    that's not quite what I'm saying. I'll think about how better to explain this and get back to you
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    hm. i think the idea is on enough, but i'm not sure i understand why it would deserve a "special" recognition. the thing about 6, is that the type is personified in part by swinging to extremes. it's an amplification of the basic fight-flight stress response pattern. so when we talk about phobic or cp 6s, that's because 6s in particular tend to swing strongly. with J and P, it's essentially a sliding scale, and a P who isn't far from the J boundary won't have much trouble adapting to J conditions. in other words, there's no reason why Ps in particular would exhibit this pattern, beyond natural consequence. it's nothing inherent to P that would make this be a significant pattern. whereas with 6, it is.

    the thoughts that come to my mind -

    randomnity mentioned "sad P". i think a P behaving like you've described is probably pretty likely to be sad, or at least unfulfilled!

    - deliberate seriousness
    - punctuality
    - excessively orderly
    - desire to remain formal and detached from people
    - an emphasis on being professional, even when not at work
    - strong emphasis on responsibility and hard work
    - abstinence from certain pleasurable activities
    some of these traits can be accounted for by other things. an IxxP is, after all, Judging dominant, and is likely to be more focused, more serious, more formal and detached, and more deliberate than their ExxP Perceiving-dominant cousins. whereas on the opposite end, an ExFP will have tertiary Te, which may be "turned on".

    most frequently, they're in an ordered, regimented work environment that demands excessive professional behavior
    i assume most people would guess me for a J at my current stint. i'm punctual, focused, do tasks in a linear fashion, am forever organizing and cleaning after my messy coworkers, and delegate when and where i can. and you know what? i kind of hate it. because i'm a P! i mean, i like having things clean and orderly, but having to be linear and detail-focused saps my energy. but when a 6 is counterphobic, it's not acting against their "natural" mechanisms.

    i think that's the main difference i see, and why i probably wouldn't seek to make this classification. you could also have the "counter-judging J", a la J at a spa, but i think essentially what we're seeing here is a person with an external Perceiving preference who is leaning on external Judging - and this is looking very much like Te in particular, which is another thing that makes me hesitate - to compensate for environment. why would that merit mention beyond any other situation in which a person of a certain type leans on another of their functions to meet the adaptive demands of their environment?

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