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    Well, in your favor it's hard for me to take Psychology seriously as a science, at least these aspects because of that reason. Results usually cannot be replicated with accuracy. Unless it's tied to some sort of other science, mainly biology and physiology. Without those two psychology doesn't really have any scientific basis. However, I would say that just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean no one can and so it may still have a chance at being considered a science. I don't mean to say that you haven't because I haven't read articles and to be honest I don't know what it would actually take to disprove it specifically, but I just don't want to completely throw this out the window because of lack of motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    And are folks positing in this thread that primarily Si and Se inferior types are "HSP"? That's interesting, but I can't find any research to support that.

    Plus anecdotally, I know plenty of "sensitive" individuals of many types, with Se or Si higher in function order. It may be more of an introverted tendency in general.
    I recommend Psychological types page 462.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jung, Page 462
    The primary function of intuition is to transmit
    mere images, or perceptions of relations and conditions,
    which could be gained by the other functions, either not
    at all, or only by very roundabout ways. Such images
    have the value of definite discernments, and have a decisive
    bearing upon action, whenever intuition is given the chief
    weight; in which case, psychic adaptation is based
    almost exclusively upon intuition. Thinking, feeling,
    and sensation are relatively repressed ; of these, sensation
    is the one principally affected, because, as the conscious
    function of sense, it offers the greatest obstacle to intuition.
    Sensation disturbs intuition's dear, unbiassed, naive awareness
    with its importunate sensuous stimuli
    ; for these
    direct the glance upon the physical superficies, hence upon
    the very things round and beyond which intuition tries
    to peer. But since intuition, in the extraverted attitude,
    has a prevailingly objective orientation, it actually comes
    very near to sensation ; indeed, the expectant attitude
    towards outer objects may, with almost equal probability,
    avail itself of sensation.
    And also Psychological types Page 510 on Introverted Intuitives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jung, Page 510
    The introverted intuitive's chief repression falls upon
    the sensation of the object. His unconscious is characterized
    by this fact. For we find in his unconscious a compensatory
    extraverted sensation function of an archaic
    character. The unconscious personality may, therefore,
    best be described as an extraverted sensation-type of a
    rather low and primitive order. Impulsiveness and unrestraint
    are the characters of this sensation, combined
    with an extraordinary dependence upon the sense impression.
    This latter quality is a compensation to the
    thin upper air of the conscious attitude, giving it a certain
    weight, so that complete
    ' sublimation '
    is prevented. But
    if, through a forced exaggeration of the conscious attitude,
    a complete subordination to the inner perception should
    develop, the unconscious becomes an opposition, giving
    rise to compulsive sensations whose excessive dependence
    upon the object is in frank conflict with the conscious
    attitude. The form of neurosis is a compulsion-neurosis,
    exhibiting symptoms that are partly hypochondriacal
    manifestations, partly hypersensibility of the sense organs
    and partly compulsive ties to definite persons or other
    objects.
    The problem here is what type is he, not what research supports MBTI, because MBTI and Jung are quite anecdotal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    Well, in your favor it's hard for me to take Psychology seriously as a science, at least these aspects because of that reason. Results usually cannot be replicated with accuracy. Unless it's tied to some sort of other science, mainly biology and physiology. Without those two psychology doesn't really have any scientific basis. However, I would say that just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean no one can and so it may still have a chance at being considered a science. I don't mean to say that you haven't because I haven't read articles and to be honest I don't know what it would actually take to disprove it specifically, but I just don't want to completely throw this out the window because of lack of motivation.
    Are you saying I have to prove that it can't be proven in order to cast it out of the scientific realm? Or are you just equivocating over the word "you"? As in "you can't disprove it" meaning me specifically rather than people in general.

    I for one don't entirely lack motivation because I've already partly given the disproof. There are no empirical causes you can point to in order to establish the substance of function theory. It's foundation is entirely noumenal. At best, function talk only constitutes heuristics, as it enables certain scientific knowledge to progress. But it needs to be limited from developing a more religious, dogmatic aspect, in other words, not as mere assumptions, but as Truths.

    As for so-called "hypersensitivity," that would also have to involve the over-development of those very senses. People who react very strongly to smells (as in the OP's mentioning of this in her son) are called super-smellers. And this does have a physiological basis, that is, a real, empirical cause.

    This video is just about mice:
    http://discovermagazine.com/videos/super-smellers

    This is a forum of complaints about hypersensitive smelling ability:
    http://idreamofbaby.com/forum/showth...-Super-Smeller!!!

    It is known that most super-smellers are female.
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    mal, maybe you should take your Ti to a park or something. chase some butterflies. eat KFC and watermelon. watch the clouds go by and see what different shapes they can make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    mal, maybe you should take your Ti to a park or something. chase some butterflies. eat KFC and watermelon. watch the clouds go by and see what different shapes they can make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
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    Saturned: Answer, What is the sound of Ti collapsing into a puddle as its Ne companion scoops it up into a paper bag?

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    As a super-taster and super-smeller myself, I can testify that this thread tastes like over-ripe tomatoes and smells like acidic chili. Blech! Phew!
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I hear you mal12345, but hypersensitivity is most commonly a medical term.

    Hypersensitivity:

    Occasionally, the immune system responds inappropriately to the presence of antigen. These responses are refered to as hypersensitivities. There are four different types of hypersensitivities that result from different alterations of the immune system. These types are classified as:
    Type I: Immediate Hypersensitivity
    Type II: Cytotoxic Hypersensitivity
    Type III: Immune Complex Hypersensitivity
    Type IV: Delayed Hypersensitivity

    --Source: http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/hyper.htm


    So what do you both mean as "hypersensitive?"
    I thought I answered that I was just going along with Jim's terminology. You can find the correct medical term. And in INTP's post there was a mention of hypersensitive Ni types. "...partly hypersensibility of the sense organs and partly compulsive ties to definite persons or other objects."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    As a super-taster and super-smeller myself, I can testify that this thread tastes like over-ripe tomatoes and smells like acidic chili. Blech! Phew!
    Do you relate that ability to your personality type?
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    ^ re hypersensitivity, I was hoping to see Jim here too to corroborate on definition, and perhaps choose a better word.

    re super-smellin' / tastin' - nope, hadn't thought about that. I only found this fact out a couple of weeks ago though. I have a lot of taste-buds on my tongue apparently. I considered genetics and gender but took the thought no further.
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    When people see some things as good,
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