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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Actually, the scoring system on that test follows a different rule than that. Sometimes it omits scores for N/S and sometime F/T. In lily's result it purposely left out the F/T, which is silly because he was obviously a T from her description. Or is the test-maker claiming that her Grand Strategist child could turn around in a few years and become a touchy-feeling F?
    oh, you were simply stating the nature of the test. in that case, I redirect my disagreement and say that the test is whack if it leaves out N/S or F/T
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    And I am so very glad that where I come from is not the same.
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    Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children®—Fourth Edition Integrated (WISC®—IV Integrated) David Wechsler
    Ages for the test: between 6 and 16 years of age.
    The test includes 16 Subtests:

    Verbal
    1. Similarities Multiple Choice (SIMC)
    2. Vocabulary Multiple Choice (VCMC)
    3. Picture Vocabulary Multiple Choice (PVMC)
    4. Comprehension Multiple Choice (COMC)
    5. Information Multiple Choice (INMC)
    Perceptual
    6. Block Design Multiple Choice (BDMC)
    7. Block Design Process Approach (BDPA)
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    8. Visual Digit Span (VDS)
    9. Spatial Span (SSp)
    10. Letter Span (LS)
    11. Letter-Number Sequencing Process Approach (LNPA)
    12. Arithmetic Process Approach (APRA)
    13. Written Arithmetic (WA)
    Processing Speed
    14. Coding Recall (CDR)
    15. Coding Copy (CDC)
    Executive Function
    16. Elithorn Mazes (EM)

    "Block Design" :shudders:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    oh, you were simply stating the nature of the test. in that case, I redirect my disagreement and say that the test is whack if it leaves out N/S or F/T
    I was at work at the time and so I had only a chance to glance at the test site in between fending off Marmie's wild-eyed claims.
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    I looked up the "block design" portion of the WISC test. "Block Design - copying small geometric designs with two, three, or four plastic cubes while viewing a constructed model or a picture within a specified time limit."

    While I wouldn't consider this to be the same as puppy torture, as in Colombo's post above, the time limit on IQ tests has always bugged me.

    And there's also this: "Wechsler Preschool and Primary Scale of Intelligence™—Third Edition (WPPSI™–III) David Wechsler
    Ages for the test: Age Range: 2 years 6 months – 3 years 11months and 4 years 7years 3 months of age"

    2 years 6 months? SHAME!
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    Originally Posted by InvisibleJim
    "Te and Fi are foreign to Fe and Ti. Worse with this Se inferior and the accompanying hypersensitivity to stimuli such as smell and the according need for the kid to keep his head and physical distance from people."

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Linguist View Post
    Yeah. Makes sense, I suppose.
    Really?

    Hypersensitivity to stimuli has to do with introversion. First question on the page at the link below:

    "I sometimes have strong reactions to smells, tastes, foods, weather, noises, etc."

    This is due to the fact that introverts need less stimulation to be overwhelmed than extroverts.

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=b...number=2&w=800
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    Sounds like me when I was young, except that I am way more vocal and aggressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Really. Correlate =/= causate. I provided a causation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    Thanks for this post. It's a relief to think that he is probably just being his normal self. Sometimes I feel bad for him, because he is in a family of teacher/counselor lovey types. I wonder if that's unpleasant for him. I know it would be unpleasant for me to be in a family of mostly NT's.

    I loved the story about your parents and the prom. Funny!
    Yeah, it probably makes for a bit of a disconnect. I note you've indicated your type as INFJ. That means, to a degree, you kind of think like him: you can just observe a situation and immediately grasp its meaning. The difference is that you see the Fe-meaning, which is good at evaluating people dynamics and other areas where strict logical analysis would fail. Assuming he's INTJ, he's going to be just as good at gleaning meaning, but he applies Te, which (as you note of him) is terrible at dealing with people dynamics, but great at chess and strategy. As long as something can be logically picked apart and studied, he'll be great at understanding it.

    Where you can help him on the people stuff is to give him basic rules so that even if he's a social klutz, he generally knows what the right thing to do is. Young INTJs don't read people well, which is why we're very skeptical and suspect lying, because they don't see the context the way an INFJ would. An INFJ would note, "Oh, she's in a bad mood about something," and intuitively know how to avoid triggering any unpleasantness, but the INTJ will often accidentally say the wrong thing, with no ill intent, and catch a lot of crap for it. Make it clear that it's kind of like chess, except the pieces tend to think for themselves and often won't do what you want them to, and he has to work around that.

    As for making him feel more comfortable around you, don't pity him. INTJs may be bad around people, but we know the difference between love and pity. So often, people think they're being nice to an INTJ, but the result is that the INTJ feels it as an insult, a lack of understanding, a lack of caring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    The psychologist who tested him did say that she felt like he just wanted to rush through everything and go with whatever the easiest answer was. So maybe he just blew off the test. I just wish we could help him figure out what his interests are so he wouldn't be so bored all the time. One of his problems is that he is dyslexic, so he hates reading. I think if he loved reading, he really could engage his brain with whatever his interests are.
    Well, it would seem self-evident that dyslexia would make him test much worse than his real brain power would indicate. I'm sure you know more about dyslexia than I do, but it would seem imperative to try to overcome the dyslexia as much as possible. Many dyslexics, I've read, manage to get by via people skills, "reading people" instead of reading books. He doesn't have the people skills, so he needs to learn how to read as best he can. With experience, his intuition should be able to determine what a sentence or paragraph "really means" without having to read every word and meticulously piece all the bits of information together.

    In my case, I'm not dyslexic, but I can still look at a word or phrase and read something entirely nonsensical. My brain sees the symbols and puts them together randomly, but usually in an "almost-sensible" way. For instance, I recall logging onto a windows server a few years ago, and I note out of the corner of my eye that it uses "Happy Threading". I do a double-take, look more carefully, and instead read, for real "Hyper-Threading".

    While his reading skills remain weak, perhaps videos might help out. Anything scientific should work, though you know his interests better than I. The Connections series is one I recall enjoying immensely, and should be right up his alley, because it's about how new ideas spontaneously appear based on people/scientists making particular "connections" that no one had made before. The connections are seemingly random, and often don't make sense at first, but James Burke makes it all fit together.

    Also, even if he's not so good at reading, he should have the mindset for doing math word problems. If you think about it, math word problems are very similar to the strategy things he's so good at. He intuitively converts everything around him into math-like ideas and comes up with an answer. It should be possible to train that to work on more things than computer games and chess.

    Anyway, that's the best I can come up with for now. I wish you and your son all the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    Really. Correlate =/= causate. I provided a causation.
    You provided a fantasy about inferior Se based on a guess at someone's type.

    It can't always be about functions. It seems everybody here wants to play the Reductionist fallacy game. Or as Carl Jung called it, "nothing-but." For example,

    'The devil has throughout a true Epimethean thinking, the "nothing but" intellectual attitude, which reduces everything living to original
    nothingness.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    You provided a fantasy about inferior Se based on a guess at someone's type.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lily flower View Post
    He has never enjoyed physical affection.
    He is a great strategist. Even though he does poorly on most school work, he can beat adults at games like chess and Risk.
    He is very skeptical about commercials and people telling him things in general. He tends to think that people are liars.
    He complains about being bored constantly, but doesn't have any specific interests.
    He enjoys camping/fishing type activities, board games and video games (he especially likes the games that have you build a medieval castle and village and then attack other castles).
    He doesn't seem to have compassion or understanding of other people's feelings, but occasionally he will strongly defend someone who is being bullied or picked on or being treated unjustly.
    He loves to argue/debate.
    He tends to avoid any type of work, but will work really had to get a reward he wants or to get money to buy a video game.
    He has a very strong reaction to smells and noise.
    When he was a baby, the only thing that would calm him down was if I sang to him. He wasn't calmed down by rocking or being held like other babies.
    I use the evidence provided. Thanks.

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