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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I don't think life experience, interests in "creepy" things, personality disorders, bad childhoods, or sadistic/masochistic tendencies have anything to do with personality type.

    Some ISFPs seem innocent, but others are sitting in their parents' basement with their girlfriend cutting themselves. I mean, Salvidor Dali was an ISFP, don't you consider him a bit twisted?

    If there's anyone I stereotype as being so sweet that butter couldn't melt in their mouth I actually think of INFx first, not ISFPs. ISFPs I think of as being more realistic. But of course they aren't always...they have tertiary Ni.

    Sensors don't lack an inner world or the ability to like strange or dark things.

    I had these kinds of thoughts when I first started looking at personality theory, except I specifically had them about SJs. I thought all the boring, bland people were SJs and that no one interesting or artistic or cool could be SJ...so isn't it funny that as it turns out, my ESFJ ex is actually uber-SJ, I can't see him as anything but ESFJ in function theory, plus he tests as ESFJ in the four dichotomies. But at first I thought he must be ESFP because of his obsession with horror movies and punk music.

    Similar for my ISFJ friend. I thought he was ISFP at first, and he had to convince me otherwise.

    Stereotypes don't really work for personality types, it's a terrible way to type people, and I guess we all have to learn it.
    You said this in a much nicer way than I would have. Kudos to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    Maybe I just haven't run into 'twisted' S people
    Maybe you're misguidedly typing people that you think are "dark and twisted" exclusively as N? Why is that even a thing?
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    I started thinking, because of this thread, this is why some people think they have so many Ns in their family, or have dated all Ns.

    Mystery solved. It's all some variation of this.

    I'm always staggered by people who claim they've never met a male ISFJ (the most common type, so come on...really?), or they've never been close to an SJ, or met an ISFP IRL...is it because these people believe everyone that they like or have things in common with are Ns?

    Lulz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I started thinking, because of this thread, this is why some people think they have so many Ns in their family, or have dated all Ns.

    Mystery solved. It's all some variation of this.

    I'm always staggered by people who claim they've never met a male ISFJ (the most common type, so come on...really?), or they've never been close to an SJ, or met an ISFP IRL...is it because these people believe everyone that they like or have things in common with are Ns?

    Lulz.
    +1000000

    Really, though, if someone says that Ns are more likely than Ss to be "dark and twisted," they can either mean that Ns are more likely to be serial killers/psychopaths/have psychological disorders, or that Ns are more likely to be "deep" in some lame wannabe Sylvia Plath kind of way. If the first, that's just silly. If the second, that's (1) embarrassing and (2) a really lame manifestation of N elitism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    +1000000

    Really, though, if someone says that Ns are more likely than Ss to be "dark and twisted," they can either mean that Ns are more likely to be serial killers/psychopaths/have psychological disorders, or that Ns are more likely to be "deep" in some lame wannabe Sylvia Plath kind of way. If the first, that's just silly. If the second, that's (1) embarrassing and (2) a really lame manifestation of N elitism.
    The reason why that's so funny is that some people think Sylvia Plath may have been ISFJ. I'm pretty sure murder mystery queen Agatha Christie was, for shizzle.

    They're pretty "dark and twisted."

    Some people do believe that Ns are "crazy" or that NFs came from bad homes or that people develop N to escape a terrible upbringing.

    I mean really. Really?

    I converse with some NFs on this forum who make me look like the devil incarnate, like I swear they all dance around with fairy princesses and watch Disney movies and some even have issues being in their bodies to have sex. That's sounds about as far from "dark and twisted" as it gets. If anything, they seem to be more likely to think everything is better or nicer than it is.

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    Marmie and Orangey: I just want to clarify that the original statement was meant as a compliment. I have to admit I don't know a lot of SPs but they are some of the nicest people I know. On the other hand, I've met loads of really unhealthy NFs, NTs and SJs. So, if you ask my opinion on SPs, or more specifically on ISFPs, I'll be inclined to say that they are the least 'dark' group of people. But that's just my impression of them. I'm not saying it's true of all SPs. I'm not claiming that they lack the inner world or ability to like strange and dark things. No, not at all. If there's one thing I hate on the forum, it's the attitude that certain functions are 'better' than others.

    I remember reading one INFJ's impression of INFPs long time ago. She used the words "lightness of spirit" to describe INFPs -- something that made her realize she was after all a J because she lacked this same lightness. You can argue how INFPs are not "light" and go on about how they can be dark and moody, but I felt that was valuable insight. "Lightness" or no, she perceived something. I think the OP was trying to gain the same kind of insight and by asking how ISFPs are perceived by people.

    If I asked people what they thought of NFs, I'd like to hear their honest impressions -- stereotypes and all, so bring on the bunnies and rainbows

    BTW -- didn't know Dali was ISFP. Yes, I call that twisted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    The reason why that's so funny is that some people think Sylvia Plath may have been ISFJ. I'm pretty sure murder mystery queen Agatha Christie was, for shizzle.
    I think they're typed as Ns because they're usually considered E-type 4 and 5, respectively, which are pretty rare among ISFJs, or so I hear.

    I'm okay with ISFPs, as long as they don't drag me into a loopy scheme or act like Olivia Newton-John's character in Xanadu.

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    I agree with much of what has been said but I must add my favourite ISFP qualities. I love the way they look with such a penetrating insight to the very essence of things. They see beauty and value in things others miss and are natural optimists. They never lose their sense of child-like wonder and therefore can seem purer in nature than most. They have a sponge like quality, absorbing the world around them, and are connoisseurs of life.

    I also see them as people who struggle under the weight of the world. Their deeply empathic nature means they can't help but absorb any negativity around them, which can be completely overwhelming for them. And I imagine that if they let give in to that negativity, they could easily end up in dark and twisted territory
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I think they're typed as Ns because they're usually considered E-type 4 and 5, respectively, which are pretty rare among ISFJs, or so I hear.
    Agatha Christie is absolutely an Si dom. She couldn't possibly be anything but Si/Fe IMO, and I've read many many many of her novels.

    I'm more on the fence about Sylvia Plath, plus she was mentally ill so you can't type her INFJ or INFP just because she was mentally ill, that's totally dumb.

    or act like Olivia Newton-John's character in Xanadu.
    Y u hatin' on Xanadu, bro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21% View Post
    BTW -- didn't know Dali was ISFP. Yes, I call that twisted.
    Yeah so was Sid Vicious, I don't know if you missed that I was pointing out he was ISFP.

    I've seen very healthy, balanced NFs and SJs and blah blah blah, I don't think SPs are "less fucked up" by any stretch of the imagination, that just seems ridiculous to me, but no more ridiculous than my original assumption back in the day that all the bland, boring people were SJ, lol.

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