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    It could be societal power enforcing norms in an objective way under a subjective guise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    The imaginary cannot describe the real.
    Albert imagined riding on a beam of sunlight and his imagination gave birth to Special Relativity, an exquisite description of the real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InTheFlesh View Post
    It could be societal power enforcing norms in an objective way under a subjective guise.
    Is it just me or does the word "enforcing" give anyone else the creeps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Albert imagined riding on a beam of sunlight and his imagination gave birth to Special Relativity, an exquisite description of the real.
    There is a difference between describing and inspiring.

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    do you mean things like finding type differences with eeg or stuff like that? if so there has been studies, use google..
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    You are what I imagine to be a poet Victor, I like reading you

    I am wondering if the belief in mbti isnt some form of modern iconoclasm or idolatry. It is in my opinion 100% imaginary, but so is everything manmade, cause we imagined it.
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    Would it make a difference if it was?

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    It posits a measurement system for defining personality traits, and TBH the concepts behind the functions have given me a useful (IMO) insight into how and why some people are the way they are, so at the very least I don't think it's useless. Comparing it to such abstract organizational imaginary constructions such as Mathematics is something that makes sense to me. I think some facets of the organizational system are superfluous (like the 4-letter types), but that is purely opinion; I personally find the concept of the functions the most interesting.

    Yet while I find the 4-letter types superfluous I do find the concept of the temperaments to be mildly relevant to reality, so I think the most superfluous part of the 4-letter type isn't the type itself so much as the perceived "function order" that it resolves into. So if I were to modify the system, I would do away with the 4-letter types and define temperaments in terms of preferential groups of functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If MBTI were objective, there would be experimental evidence. But over seventy years, there is no experimental evidence. So we can conclude, MBTI is subjective.

    And being subjective, MBTI is imaginary. And so MBTI should be judged against other imaginary works.
    But the subjective is real! At least it is to me. Real, I say!

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I am struck that some think that MBTI gives them, for the first time in their lives, an objective view of themselves and others.
    The objective measures some come up with are funny. Porridge in the morning, isfp.

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    If you focus all your energy into your left foot, the question that may arise is: Am I my left foot?

    How does it feel to dance with just one foot?

    And if you really start to believe that you are your left foot, I wonder what it's like to imagine you are the rest of you.
    Don't know how much it'll bend til it breaks.

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