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    Sometimes I confuse INFPs and INTPs. Something about the Ne-aux/Si-tert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    I think it depends on the individual.....my INFJ bf would never be confused for an INTP, but an ISFJ, maybe. He's definitely more Fe than Ti, as some INFJ claim (IMO, tert Ti usage is blown out of proportion for INFJs though). I'd probably just be confused for a type with one letter difference, probably INTP or ISFP.

    My opinion (almost the same as Chiharu's):

    NTs
    ENTJ - SJ
    ENTP - SP
    INTJ - NT
    INTP - NF

    NFs
    ENFJ - SJ
    ENFP - SP
    INFJ - NT
    INFP - NF

    SPs
    ESTP - SP
    ESFP - SJ
    ISTP - NT
    ISFP - NF

    SJs
    ESTJ - SJ
    ESFJ - SP
    ISTJ - NT
    ISFJ - NF
    Why do you say that ESFPs are closest to SJs?
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    More than one INFP has been perceived as an INTP or even an ENTP by others, in my experience. I include myself in this number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza_tema View Post
    More than one INFP has been perceived as an INTP or even an ENTP by others, in my experience. I include myself in this number.
    Same, for myself even an INFJ on one occasion, but it was by an INFJ so idk how valuable that judgement really was. I think INXP's can be difficult to tell apart from an observer who isn't an INP, aux-Ne tert- Si is difficult but I think each type can tell the difference.

    I think INTPs who have a very developed Fe (i'd throw myself into that bunch) can seem like ENTPs, well the non-douche nozzle kind. Still haven't found a very good example of Si as inferior and Fe as tertiary though, but mm maybe INTPs with developed Fe are in fact ENTPs who just aren't ready to make that leap into ENTP-land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiharu View Post
    So, maybe...

    ENFJ --> Guardian
    INFJ --> Rational
    ENFP --> Artisan

    ENTJ --> Guardian
    ENTP --> Artisan
    INTP --> Idealist?

    ISTJ --> Rational
    ESFJ --> Artisan
    ISFJ --> Idealist? (much as it pains me to consider it)

    ESTP --> Guardian
    ISTP --> Rational
    ISFP --> Idealist?

    Thoughts?
    That list seems spot on for the most part, Chiharu! I've made similar comparisons in my head before... I'd peg the INTJ as the most NF-y of them, though - their tertiary Fi can make them dedicated mentors and die-hard advocates. (I'm not the first one to make that observation, FWIW)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiharu View Post
    Why do you say that ESFPs are closest to SJs?
    For being FPs, they seem to operate more easily in an SJ environment. I think it's Se-Te giving a pragmatic vibe to offset Fi. And when Fi is in the aux, it can take on a Fe-ish vibe, as it's in support of Ne, an extroverted function. They seem the most concerned with social, er, correctness than other SPs, which allows them to conform easier (I don't mean "conform" in a negative way....I just can't think of a better word).

    Quote Originally Posted by The_World_As_Will View Post
    Same, for myself even an INFJ on one occasion, but it was by an INFJ so idk how valuable that judgement really was. I think INXP's can be difficult to tell apart from an observer who isn't an INP, aux-Ne tert- Si is difficult but I think each type can tell the difference.
    I think all INxx types can seem similar to a casual observer. I regularly get compared to my INTP uncle, INFJ aunt & INTJ cousin (but never to my ENFP aunt or ISFP step-dad, even though they are both FPs & I am Fi-dom). Everyone acknowledges there is some common thread to our personalities & demeanors which greatly distinguishes us from the rest of the family. And yet, we all have different personalities. I know what that thread is of course - we're all introverts who perceive with iNtuition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiharu View Post
    Hi all!

    So I've often heard it said that of all the NFs, ENFJs are the most similar to Guardians, ENFPs are the most similar to Artisans, and INFJs are the most similar to Rationals, And I think these hold pretty true.
    well, if you break it down, ENFJs lead with extraverted Judging, ENFPs lead with extraverted Perceiving, and INFJs have Ni dom and Ti aux, so those all sort of make sense. ENFJ is going to be the most practical (and we see that play out IRL), ENFP the most dynamic (we see that as well), and INFJ the most heady, being introverted and intellectual.

    So, maybe...

    ENFJ --> Guardian
    INFJ --> Rational
    ENFP --> Artisan

    ENTJ --> Guardian
    ENTP --> Artisan
    INTP --> Idealist?

    ISTJ --> Rational
    ESFJ --> Artisan
    ISFJ --> Idealist? (much as it pains me to consider it)

    ESTP --> Guardian
    ISTP --> Rational
    ISFP --> Idealist?

    Thoughts?
    yeah. nice list! INTP is totally closest to idealist. ISFP too. i'm not sure about the SJs. my grandma is ISFJ 1w2, she's pretty idealistic about some things, but it's very hard to think of her as an idealist in general. maybe ESFJ idealist, ESTJ artisan?





    personally i like to think about enneagram/MBTI correlations, cause i think those have a big impact. an ENTP 7 and ENFP 7 are going to look a lot alike, much more so than an ENFP 4 and an ENTP 7.

    i think usually you can see correlations like 1w9 looks more like T and J, 1w2 more like F and J, 2 more like E and F, 3 more like E and T, 4 more like I and F, 5 more like I and T, 6 more T and J, 7 more E, S, and P, 8 more E, T, and J, 9 more S, F, and P.

    my thoughts on lookalikes, mostly based on experience... (and a little guesswork ;] )

    * = prettyyy unlikely combo, lol

    INFP 1, 2 -> INFJ
    INFP 3 -> ENFJ
    INFP 4w3, 7* -> ENFP
    INFP 4w5, 5 -> INTP
    INFP 6 -> INTP, INFJ
    INFP* 8 -> ESTJ
    INFP 9 -> ISFP

    ENFP 1 -> ESTJ
    ENFP 2, 6 -> ENFJ
    ENFP 3, 6, 7, 8 -> ENTP
    ENFP 4, 5*, 9 -> INFP

    INFJ 1w9, 8* -> INTJ
    INFJ 1w2, 2w1 -> ISFJ
    INFJ 2w3, 3, 4w3 -> ENFJ
    INFJ 4w5, 9 -> INFP
    INFJ 5, 6 -> INTP
    INFJ 7* -> ISTP

    ENFJ 1 -> INFJ
    ENFJ 2 -> ESFJ
    ENFJ 3, 8 -> ENTJ
    ENFJ 4w3 -> ENFP, INFJ
    ENFJ 4w5, 5, 6 -> INFJ
    ENFJ 7*, 9* -> ENFP

    INTP 1, 5w6, 6, 8 -> INTJ
    INTP 2* -> INFJ, ISFJ
    INTP 3 -> ENTP, INTJ
    INTP 4 -> INFP, INFJ
    INTP 5w4 = most INTPy INTPs
    INTP 7* -> ISTP
    INTP 9 -> INFP

    ENTP 1, 3, 8 -> ENTJ
    ENTP 2* -> ENFP, ENFJ
    ENTP 4* -> ENFP
    ENTP 5, 6, 9* -> INTP
    ENTP 7 -> ESTP

    INTJ 1, 6 -> ISTJ
    INTJ 2, 4, 9 -> INFP, INFJ
    INTJ 3, 8 -> ENTJ
    INTJ 5, 7* -> INTP

    ENTJ 1, 3 -> ESTJ
    ENTJ 2*, 4* -> ENFJ
    ENTJ 5, 6 -> INTJ
    ENTJ 7, 8, 9 -> ENTP

    ISFP 1, 2, 3* -> ISFJ
    ISFP 4, 9w1 -> INFP
    ISFP 5, 6, 9w8 -> ISTP
    ISFP 7, 8 -> ISTP, ESFP

    ESFP 1*, 2, 3* -> ESFJ
    ESFP 4 -> ENFP
    ESFP 5*, 7, 8 -> ISTP
    ESFP 9 -> ISFP, ENFP

    ISFJ 1w9, 8* -> ISTJ
    ISFJ 1w2, 2, 3 -> ESFJ
    ISFJ 4* -> INFJ
    ISFJ 5, 6 -> INTP
    ISFJ 7*, 9 -> ISFP

    ESFJ 1 -> ISFJ
    ESFJ 2, 6 -> ENFJ
    ESFJ 3, 5*, 8 -> ESTJ
    ESFJ 4*, 7, 9* -> ESFP

    ISTP 1, 3 -> ISTJ
    ISTP 2*, 4*, 9 -> ISFP
    ISTP 5 -> INTP
    ISTP 6 -> INTP, ESTP
    ISTP 7, 8 -> ESTP

    ESTP 1, 3, 8 -> ESTJ
    ESTP 2*, 4*, 9* -> ESFP
    ESTP 5, 6, 7 -> ISTP

    ISTJ 1 -> ISFJ, INTJ
    ISTJ 2, 4* -> ISFJ
    ISTJ 3* -> INTJ, ESTJ
    ISTJ 5, 6 -> ISTP, INTJ
    ISTJ 7, 9 -> ISTP
    ISTJ 8 -> ISTP, ESTJ

    ESTJ 1, 5, 6 -> ISTJ
    ESTJ 2 -> ESFJ
    ESTJ 3, 8 -> ENTJ
    ESTJ 4*, 9* -> INFP
    ESTJ 7 -> ESTP

    whew

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    ^ Just looking at the first few, that seems pretty spot on.
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    Based on my practical observation on this forum, not theory or real life....

    Types that act the most alike:
    ISFJ+ INFJ
    ISTJ + INTJ
    ISTP + INTP
    ENFP + ENTP
    INFP + ISFP
    ENTJ + ESTP
    ESFJ + ESFP

    ESTJs act like ESTJs

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights
    INFJ 1w9,8* -> INTJ
    INFJ 1w2,2w1 -> ISFJ
    INFJ 2w3,3,4w3 -> ENFJ
    INFJ 4w5, 9 -> INFP
    INFJ 5,6 -> INTP
    INFJ 7* -> ISTP
    That seems pretty accurate to me (although I can't really speak for myself and whether I come across as an INTP )

    But my INFJ type 2 friend comes across as an ENFJ to most outsiders, for sure, and another INFJ friend who's a type 9 went through a period where she was seriously confused as to whether she was an INFP or an INFJ... but her dominant process is clearly Ni over Fi, esp. when compared to her INFP type 9 boyfriend - pretty significant differences between those two.

    I have a third INFJ friend (lol... I've collected them over the past 11 years ) who's a type 1. But I really think she comes across more ISxJ than INTJ. Probably just her, though, as I'd say her N/S is probably her weakest dimension.
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