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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    lol...emotional "puking" is not necessarily an EFJ thing...in fact, some EFJs are so concerned with image and how other people feel that they wouldn't dream of having a meltdown unless it was in front of very trusted individuals.

    EFJs, unless they're very comfortable in dominating their environment, can be towel-biters, just like IFJs. They put on their "game face."

    I mean, of course EFJs *can* do this...but so can EFPs, and I honestly think EFPs are more likely to really not give a shit who they get "expressive" in front of, don't kid yourself, honey.
    I was talking about unhealthy EFJs. healthy EFJs do just as you said
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I was talking about unhealthy EFJs. healthy EFJs do just as you said
    I'm not sure it has anything to do with healthy or unhealthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I'm not sure it has anything to do with healthy or unhealthy.
    I think it does in the case of Js more than Ps. EPs whether healthy or unhealthy are often polarizing, but when Js are polarizing, I think it tends to be more when they're unhealthy. just a guess though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I think it does in the case of Js more than Ps. EPs whether healthy or unhealthy are often polarizing, but when Js are polarizing, I think it tends to be more when they're unhealthy. just a guess though.
    I don't think all Js are created equally. Most IFJs - healthy or not - seem to have this ability to blend in or want to be liked or manage socially somehow. IFJs, unless totally batshit crazy (which certainly does happen) seem to be the most likely of all people to be able to "handle" a group and not be terribly obtrusive. Even if they're Mrs. ISFJ McCrazyPants they can probably hold it together in public places, but then will take shit out on their family, that kind of thing.

    I think EFJs very well could be polarizing, but will do so in extremely large groups - meaning that *most* people will like them. EFJs have a certain charm - even Hitler did - and can lead people like the Pied Piper, except there will be these people on the sidelines going, "yeah, fuck no." And certainly those people will despise the EFJ. But they will be seen in the EFJs eyes probably as "the outcast minority." I witness this a lot with my ENFJ sister who is "healthy," I suppose, and manages people quite well, but I often don't want to drink her fucking kool-aid. HOWEVER...most people like her, especially people who only know her superficially.

    FJs can have a way of convincing people they're not guilty or aren't the bad guy when they really are. It fucking kills me. There's nothing more annoying than, say, the ISFJ guy who manages to convince the people he deems important that "everyone else" is so nasty, and he's just the nicest, sweetest person, why on earth do people take advantage of him? Jesus Tapdancing Christ on a Pogo Stick...

    Yes, EFJs can be vindictive and controlling and can make people hate them: I certainly will not argue with you there. I've met EFJs I'd rather avoid, including my ex-boyfriend. But typically they have that Fe ability to smooth things over, at least on a superficial level.

    EFPs I think are more likely to stir about shit because they either don't care or don't know how to manage other people. Usually I think it's for lack of caring. At least in my case I frequently just didn't care, and you mentioned this yourself, being proud of having a polarizing effect. I think EFPs are highly likely to be like "Love me, hate me, but spare me your indifference."

    I don't know, I'm tired, I'm babbling, but I swear I had a point in there somewhere...ugh...I apologize if some of it isn't totally coherent.

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    Oh ...I forgot to add that I think TJs could potentially be more polarizing than FJs that was part of the reason why I originally said all Js are not created equally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I don't think all Js are created equally. Most IFJs - healthy or not - seem to have this ability to blend in or want to be liked or manage socially somehow. IFJs, unless totally batshit crazy (which certainly does happen) seem to be the most likely of all people to be able to "handle" a group and not be terribly obtrusive. Even if they're Mrs. ISFJ McCrazyPants they can probably hold it together in public places, but then will take shit out on their family, that kind of thing.

    I think EFJs very well could be polarizing, but will do so in extremely large groups - meaning that *most* people will like them. EFJs have a certain charm - even Hitler did - and can lead people like the Pied Piper, except there will be these people on the sidelines going, "yeah, fuck no." And certainly those people will despise the EFJ. But they will be seen in the EFJs eyes probably as "the outcast minority." I witness this a lot with my ENFJ sister who is "healthy," I suppose, and manages people quite well, but I often don't want to drink her fucking kool-aid. HOWEVER...most people like her, especially people who only know her superficially.

    FJs can have a way of convincing people they're not guilty or aren't the bad guy when they really are. It fucking kills me. There's nothing more annoying than, say, the ISFJ guy who manages to convince the people he deems important that "everyone else" is so nasty, and he's just the nicest, sweetest person, why on earth do people take advantage of him? Jesus Tapdancing Christ on a Pogo Stick...

    Yes, EFJs can be vindictive and controlling and can make people hate them: I certainly will not argue with you there. I've met EFJs I'd rather avoid, including my ex-boyfriend. But typically they have that Fe ability to smooth things over, at least on a superficial level.

    EFPs I think are more likely to stir about shit because they either don't care or don't know how to manage other people. Usually I think it's for lack of caring. At least in my case I frequently just didn't care, and you mentioned this yourself, being proud of having a polarizing effect. I think EFPs are highly likely to be like "Love me, hate me, but spare me your indifference."

    I don't know, I'm tired, I'm babbling, but I swear I had a point in there somewhere...ugh...I apologize if some of it isn't totally coherent.
    ^ I think you're fairly spot on with a lot of that. The thing about FJs being good at convincing others they're not guilty/the bad guy even when they are seems familiar too, somehow.

    It's funny, that made me think about something. I don't think I'm generally manipulative but I think I may be just a tad in this area. People often tell me I'm very fair because even if I feel someone has screwed me over, I will usually try to see as well where I might have gone wrong (even if I basically think the other person is in the wrong), how their background may have pushed them to act like that, etc. So, because I'm being fair, I think it means that people are even more likely to see me as the poor hurt victim, and to downplay my own somewhat harsh assessment of myself. If that makes any sense.

    I'm also quite willing to criticize myself and to comment on my own failings, but I admit that it puts my back up when others criticize me and I tend to take it badly or think that it reflects on them more than on me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I think extroverts in general
    ENPs who throw all of their ideas out there and demand that people listen and take a side
    ETJs who demand things be done according to plan
    EFJs who push their social expectations and feelings on everyone
    ESPs with their wild, untamed charisma that makes them either loved or hated
    I think that's right, although the TJ, people assume there's a mania for planning and sticking to a plan too much, sometimes a really pronounced T in conjunction with a J will mean that judgements have been thought over and thought out and are still being thought about but the judgements or conclusions will be pretty unwavering that do exist, that by itself can be pretty polarising, particularly if those judgements when they are manifested by others are associated with prejudices or a lack of thinking and are treated as such.

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    Which type do you see as the *least* polarizing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    Which type do you see as the *least* polarizing?
    I'd nominate ISFP. Just a guess, but they seem to be the type who are fairly low-key and mostly well-liked, but those who don't particularly like them are unlikely to dislike them - more that they'd slip under the radar.

    I'm thinking more and more though that being "polarizing" has more to do with other factors than type, though...although I still think that some types are more likely to have this effect than others. But there are so many "flavours" within each type...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I'd nominate ISFP. Just a guess, but they seem to be the type who are fairly low-key and mostly well-liked, but those who don't particularly like them are unlikely to dislike them - more that they'd slip under the radar.

    I'm thinking more and more though that being "polarizing" has more to do with other factors than type, though...although I still think that some types are more likely to have this effect than others. But there are so many "flavours" within each type...
    I'd say the same for ISTP as well. Generally speaking, they're down to earth and unassuming. And when some can be obtrusive, they're really not.. It's like they might state a point where they think you're wrong, but stand back with a wait and see approach. They're just as amused with letting people go about and failing.

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