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    ⒺⓉⒷ Eric B's Avatar
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    There are different views on those. Keirsey actually said SJ=Melancholic and NF=Choleric. (And he rejected the functions). I believe NF=Phlegmatic (or supine), and NT is Choleric. Another level of temperament (even though it's not usually called that) is Interaction Style as well. Both dom. Te's, for instance, are In Charge or Choleric: EST(J); EN(T)J.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    There are different views on those. Keirsey actually said SJ=Melancholic and NF=Choleric. (And he rejected the functions). I believe NF=Phlegmatic (or supine), and NT is Choleric. Another level of temperament (even though it's not usually called that) is Interaction Style as well. Both dom. Te's, for instance, are In Charge or Choleric: EST(J); EN(T)J.
    "Keirsey said" this and that, and I'll assume you're right; however, Keirsey is not here to explain his reasoning to us, and anyway you may have gotten that from a third party on this forum in a thread that you took part in: "While it would seem difficult to call NF Phlegmatic, there are a few explanations for this." Yes, it would seem to be difficult. And Phlegmatic (supine) has been generally rejected as a temperament category by psychologists, but we can ignore them for speculative purposes. You say Interaction Style is not usually called a kind of temperament, so that pretty much derails your own argument even though IS was built on Keirsey's work.

    Since I don't see where Keirsey has explained his reasoning, here's mine in a nutshell.

    From the wikipedia article on the Four Temperaments -

    The Sanguine temperament personality is fairly extroverted. People of a sanguine temperament tend to enjoy social gatherings, making new friends and tend to be quite loud. They are usually quite creative and often daydream. However, some alone time is crucial for those of this temperament. Sanguine can also mean very sensitive, compassionate and thoughtful. Sanguine personalities generally struggle with following tasks all the way through, are chronically late, and tend to be forgetful and sometimes a little sarcastic. Often, when pursuing a new hobby, interest is lost quickly when it ceases to be engaging or fun. They are very much people persons. They are talkative and not shy. For some people, these are the ones you want to be friends with and usually they become life long friends. Sanguine can be sometimes emotional.
    [Matches SP but diverges into F a lot too ('people persons')]

    A person who is choleric is a do-er. They have a lot of ambition, energy, and passion, and try to instill it in others. They can dominate people of other temperaments, especially phlegmatic types. Many great charismatic military and political figures were cholerics. They like to be leaders and in charge of everything.
    [Matches SJ]

    A person who is a thoughtful ponderer has a melancholic disposition. Often very considerate and get rather worried when they could not be on time for events, melancholics can be highly creative in activities such as poetry and art - and can become occupied with the tragedy and cruelty in the world. A melancholic is also often a perfectionist. They are often self-reliant and independent; one negative part of being a melancholic is sometimes they can get so involved in what they are doing they forget to think of others.
    [Closely matches NF, esp. NFJ and enneatype 4]

    Phlegmatics tend to be self-content and kind. They can be very accepting and affectionate. They may be very receptive and shy and often prefer stability to uncertainty and change. They are very consistent, relaxed, rational, curious, and observant, making them good administrators. However they can also be very passive-aggressive.
    ["Rational, curious, and observant" matches NT which is called the "rational" temperament]

    It's not a perfect match, but close enough for gubmint work.
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