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    Quote Originally Posted by stalemate View Post
    Keirsey actually classifies types into Preemptive, Contending, Collaborating, and Accommodating. The "Accommodating" ones are ISFP, ISFJ, INTP, and INFP in Keirsey terms.

    ISTJ would be contending and ESFP collaborating.
    Quote Originally Posted by stalemate View Post
    I can't find exact definitions right now but "contending" is more similar to "competitive" in this sense. It is more about interaction style I guess. This post on brainsandcareers mentions these terms briefly in breaking down the whole new Keirsey naming scheme where, for example, ENFP is a Diplomatic Collaborator / Advocator where the old term was "Champion." http://brainsandcareers.com/phpBB3/v....php?f=4&t=117

    Keirsey's latest book uses all the new terms and I haven't read the whole thing yet and am still getting used to the terminology.
    These are the new "roles of interaction" Keirsey introduced in that book, which are the same as Berens' Interaction Styles. He finally took the final step of dividing the eight "intelligence variants" by I/E to get the four roles, like berens had done.

    Though three of those names I never heard. When the book first came out, you saw the names "Initiator", "Responder" and "Coworker".

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Then ExFPs are Collaborative? I would think Collaborative and Accomodating would be the easiest to get along with.

    The Accomodating ones make sense, too.
    Those are the Role-Informatives, which are the most "responsive" (people rather than task-oriented) on the social level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noon View Post
    So contending = chart the course, accomodating = behind the scenes, etc?
    Yes. ("Accomodating" was "Responder". "Accomodating" is the name of the informative introvert in the Thomas Kilman Inventory as well). And Collaborator=Coworker=Get Things going, and Preemptive=Initiator=In Charge.
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    I thought the 'confusion' (though I was not confused) was because advocate is also a noun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strychnine View Post
    I thought the 'confusion' (though I was not confused) was because advocate is also a noun.
    and in France, un avocat is a lawyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalemate View Post
    I can't find exact definitions right now but "contending" is more similar to "competitive" in this sense. It is more about interaction style I guess. This post on brainsandcareers mentions these terms briefly in breaking down the whole new Keirsey naming scheme where, for example, ENFP is a Diplomatic Collaborator / Advocator where the old term was "Champion." http://brainsandcareers.com/phpBB3/v....php?f=4&t=117

    Keirsey's latest book uses all the new terms and I haven't read the whole thing yet and am still getting used to the terminology.
    While I like being called a Champion or an Advocator (I like this: "note the name has been updated to Advocator, which was chosen because it literally means (ad-voc-a-tor) "to give voice" to ideas, beliefs or causes."), identifying myself with Diplomatic CoWorker seems far too entrenched in capitalism as a way to define my entire personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest
    isn't learning fun?
    advocator

    latin advocare + ending "-r"

    advocare = ad vocare

    ad, to/towards/in favor of
    vox, voice, vocare, to vocalize

    ad vocare, to vocalize in favor of
    vocat, third person present indicative
    ad+vocat, (he) vocalizes in favor of

    french avocat, pleader (as opposed to the avoué (who prepares the case))
    english advocate, to speak in favor

    -r ending, transforms verb into noun identified as that which performs verb

    "that which vocalizes in favor of"

    advocator

    i like words

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    incidentally while i appreciate the attempt to find better words i think i am much more of a "champion" than a "diplomatic coworker". that makes me sound like i will not fight you. that would be an unfortunate misunderstanding.

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    Haha, I made you look it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    advocator

    latin advocare + ending "-r"

    advocare = ad vocare

    ad, to/towards/in favor of
    vox, voice, vocare, to vocalize

    ad vocare, to vocalize in favor of
    vocat, third person present indicative
    ad+vocat, (he) vocalizes in favor of

    french avocat, pleader (as opposed to the avoué (who prepares the case))
    english advocate, to speak in favor

    -r ending, transforms verb into noun identified as that which performs verb

    "that which vocalizes in favor of"

    advocator

    i like words

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    incidentally while i appreciate the attempt to find better words i think i am much more of a "champion" than a "diplomatic coworker". that makes me sound like i will not fight you. that would be an unfortunate misunderstanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Haha, I made you look it up.
    Nice try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Haha, I made you look it up.
    actually i'm a word nerd, i already knew all that which... if any of it's wrong, that'd be my fault, lol.

    my high school bio teacher was really into etymology and spent half the year teaching us how to break words down and recognize common prefixes, suffixes, and latin and greek roots. i liked the biology and it was useful but to be honest the word breakdown was possibly one of the most useful lessons i have ever learned. plus i've taken french for like... forever. so "advocator" was pretty easy. "ad" means towards - learned that in bio; "voca" is about voice, know that because there's a planned parenthood group named "vox" which is latin for "voice" (plus just "vocal" being an obvious related word), and "-are" is a standard latin verb form, and "(vowel)t" is the 3rd p. pres. indicative - and "-r", that's just easy to figure out - so yeah.

    and then i just knew the french business thanks to french history/culture classes. though admittedly i did look up "avoué", because i couldn't remember the difference between the avoué and the agreé - actually i'm still not sure what the agreé does. some kind of french lawyery things.

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    [QUOTE=skylights;1561133]actually i'm a word nerd, i already knew all that which... if any of it's wrong, that'd be my fault, lol./QUOTE]

    Drats! Foiled again...
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