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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    "Advocator" isn't a word.
    Yes it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Yes it is.
    I was allowing for the possibility that maybe the statement was in reference to a non English language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    "Advocator" isn't a word.


    It's bad enough that this is a pointless comment to begin with, but to be dead wrong as well? Hahahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    "Advocator" isn't a word.
    ¿Por qué no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post


    It's bad enough that this is a pointless comment to begin with, but to be dead wrong as well? Hahahaha.
    I need a martini. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    WTF? So if one is a minority, one should automatically bow to others? Should African Americans and Mexican Americans be more accomodating of whites?

    Should gays be more accomodating of straights then straights are of them?

    I don't like your logic.
    Oops missed this post.

    I'm pretty sure we're missing on definitions here, but I think I may also disagree a bit --

    Just acting in your own self-interest (excluding your interest in others' well being) obviously will have some consequences on the whole (other people may not be able to pursue their self-interest at the same time, for example). Just caring about other people obviously also has consequences on the whole, because people are on average best at knowing their own needs. So their needs to be some give and take between the two...

    Someone devising methods regarding the looking out for others side should come up with strategies that work as efficiently as possible. The more overall benefit your moral strategy has per unit of effort, the better it is. In that sense, an N devising a social strategy would be making a mistake to develop an algorithm that benefits S types and N types equally, because they could better maximize efficiency catering slightly more to S types.

    This is all assuming a perfectly equal world in every other way. Now, in real reality (ha), there are those that have been treated more unfairly than others. In other words, the marginal utility of helping them is much higher, so catering to them more than the less needy increases your ethical output.

    So the more complex picture is that the best strategy is to cater to those that benefit most from your help (and keep marginal utility in mind), while at the same time catering to as high a percentage of people as possible. I didn't bring that up because it seemed kinda irrelevant, but yeah.

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    Sounds like Fe, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Oops missed this post.

    I'm pretty sure we're missing on definitions here, but I think I may also disagree a bit --

    Just acting in your own self-interest (excluding your interest in others' well being) obviously will have some consequences on the whole (other people may not be able to pursue their self-interest at the same time, for example). Just caring about other people obviously also has consequences on the whole, because people are on average best at knowing their own needs. So their needs to be some give and take between the two...

    Someone devising methods regarding the looking out for others side should come up with strategies that work as efficiently as possible. The more overall benefit your moral strategy has per unit of effort, the better it is. In that sense, an N devising a social strategy would be making a mistake to develop an algorithm that benefits S types and N types equally, because they could better maximize efficiency catering slightly more to S types.

    This is all assuming a perfectly equal world in every other way. Now, in real reality (ha), there are those that have been treated more unfairly than others. In other words, the marginal utility of helping them is much higher, so catering to them more than the less needy increases your ethical output.

    So the more complex picture is that the best strategy is to cater to those that benefit most from your help (and keep marginal utility in mind), while at the same time catering to as high a percentage of people as possible. I didn't bring that up because it seemed kinda irrelevant, but yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I havent understood a word of this and I had only 3 beer I swear
    LOL I knew it would sound weird!

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    Aaaaaaaaaah noooooooooo!!

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