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    Think the problem in the op is no issue single to Ni user but more to all people. We all have issues to identify the people we can trust and who not and intuition really becomes more a game of lucky guess if you were right or wrong investing in trust.

    When you get older it will be easier to understand people, cause patterns recur
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    Great comments. It's interesting that INTPs seem to deal with the same issue.

    I simply don't know about this. What ThatGirl says is the way I feel. I rely on this intuition to a great extent.

    Somewhere along the line, perhaps in my early 20s, I began to realize there were other perspectives that were superior to mine in some ways. It caused me to engage more in soliciting other's opinions or views though that was quite selective. Then, in my early 30s I came to understand that this negative intuition that Jennifer describes had a counterproductive influence in my life. I also learned that I needed to bring people along with me to get things done. I began to be much more participatory and consensus oriented in my decision making and leadership style. I learned to trust others more.

    At the end, I wonder if I have gone too far in this journey. I've lost some kind of edge that the intuition gives me. I've become more balanced but not as differentiated.

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    Nah, stick with the balanced part, still some way to go
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    From what I understand it is a catch 22. On the one hand the way to difuse doubt about intuition is to really know yourself. If you know how you will percieve, act, react, to certain stimuli and why, you can remove yourself from the equation.

    For instance. Every time I encounter this, I percieve it as this, and react this way, because of this. Step back further and remove that element from the equation, you can gauge what I like to say, "whether this is mine or yours." Sometimes I realize that if I remove myself the situation really is harmless, this is mine then. If I remove that element, and the situtation progresses, this is yours.

    The problem with this, is that we as people, are participants in our own lives. Sometimes that projection is necessary, specially if it is involving decisions that effect us. We can't just remove ourselves from the equation and go all rational, because we are the ones that have to live with the consequences.

    In the end, the most important thing really is to trust yourself, account for the margin of error, and be ready to admit you were wrong, should that turn out to be the case.

    You don't have to get it right every time, to be accurate most times.

    Anyway that's what I eventually decided upon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    In the end, the most important thing really is to trust yourself, account for the margin of error, and be ready to admit you were wrong, should that turn out to be the case.

    You don't have to get it right every time, to be accurate most times.
    I like this point. Gavin De Becker explores intuition as a way of preventing violence in his book called The Gift of Fear . I just started it, but thought in case anyone read it that it would be interesting to bring into this conversation. The idea is that De Becker posits trusting yourself / your intuition as a way of saving your life or avoiding extreme violence at those dire times in your life. Have you heard the notion that people, before being attacked/assaulted, have a feeling about the offender? It's exploring that idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR
    Intuition should pose the question, but it can't answer it
    yes.

    of course i can only speak for Ne, but my experience is that my intuition is almost always correct in knowing when something is strange and how to respond to it in the moment, but it's not necessarily very helpful with figuring out why.

    for example, when i first met someone who is a close and trusted friend now, i got "weird" vibes from her. i did not feel like i could trust her, even though she was outwardly engaging and welcoming. i got the sense that she was nice on the surface but something else was going on.

    as it turns out, i was right about this. she is extremely protective and somewhat distrustful, even though she can turn on the Fe charm like crazy. however, i made the mistake at that point of assuming i was getting bad vibes because she was immoralish (not like Bad, but like, she would harm me) - like a superficial mean girl type - which isn't true at all. she's about as far from that stereotype as they come.

    i've learned better since then to trust the intuition and hang the judgment. protect yourself but hold off on pushing away the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecttcelfeR View Post
    I think it is easier to discern whether your intuition is good or bad when you speak in an extraverted sense so I'll start there, because it isn't relied upon the inner self, but the internal logic if the internal logic doesn't make sense then the intuition is probably wrong, too. So you need to integrate your extraverted judgement into the mix, use your Te to discern your insight, without that I think introverted intuition alone can be very dangerous. Intuition should pose the question, but it can't answer it so I think it's all based on your extraverted thinking to decide whether it's right or not. You can only work with what you see and sometimes your intuition may sense it, but you may disregard a good bunch because of the lack of evidence.
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. Ni does more than pose a question. Ne diverges. Ni converges. Does one need to use Ni in combination with Te to arrive at reasonable decisions? Probably most of the time but not always. The question is how to know to pay attention to those hunches when there is no solid evidence. I think I do it all the time actually.

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    I would say the only way you could trust your hunches without concrete evidence would mean you'd need to learn to couple your Ni with your Se. The interpretation of physical movement is your only other option. I imagine though that when Ni works it automatically takes that extraverted sensing into question. Of course the other way is to trust your intuition is to delve back into a more memory based function Si.

    Edit. It may seem simple, but I would point out that any reaction or vibe you receive from a situation or person is based off of something phyiscal, you just haven't discovered why the reaction occured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. Ni does more than pose a question. Ne diverges. Ni converges. Does one need to use Ni in combination with Te to arrive at reasonable decisions? Probably most of the time but not always. The question is how to know to pay attention to those hunches when there is no solid evidence. I think I do it all the time actually.
    Not only does one need to use Ni in combination with Te, one does use it this way. All the functions are active in each person, not always playing nicely with each other, but it is almost impossible to isolate one and use it exclusively.

    Te can be a great help in vetting the perceptions of Ni, but as you point out, it does not always have the solid, accurate evidence it needs to do this effectively. I have been in this situation plenty of times myself. I have learned over the years when to trust my intuitions in the absence of hard evidence, and when they are probably shaky. If I have any inclination that they are shaky, I reserve (final) judgment and behave in a more neutral way that keeps my options open while I collect more data through additional observation. Like Skylights, I have made some good friends by setting aside first impressions long enough to get to know the person better, over time. There have also been cases, however, when I was very glad of my initial cautious behavior. I suppose one might consider this a form of contingency planning, something we tend to be good at.

    As for becoming more balanced but not as differentiated, a jack-of-all-trades is master of none, and I for one will not give up my areas of mastery.
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