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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Typical.

    Still, he may be emotionally disturbed, are you completely certain that none of these childhood traits have carried over into adulthood, or just that as a grown man he's become a more charming sociopath?

    Because generally sociopaths are quite charming.
    Am I the only one who got a little disturbed by the fact he drew out plans for his classmates' demise? Trust me, I think of punching people on a regular basis but I never went THAT far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverMoon View Post
    this is cool..
    Some Characteristics of the INFJ Child-Some Behaviors to Look For
    •INFJ children are intensely thoughtful, private young ones
    •Cuddly, happy, cheerful babies…at home; away from home they can be quiet/serious
    •INFJ children spend much of their time (all their lives!) inside their heads…very rich fantasy, imagination ability
    •the INFJ child can be extremely tuned in to the emotional reality of their family….don’t argue/fight in front of them
    •Most INFJ kids are naturally polite, obedient, gentle, patient, considerate kids
    •INFJ children are so into their heads they may lag behind mastering some outside physical, sports related activity…they will get it however if interested…just don’t rush them
    •INFJ children are naturally tuned into music, fantasy, literature and like to sit and engage in these things early on
    •In school INFJ children usually exhibit a love of learning, reading, stories, myths, fairy tales and are very creative
    •the INFJ child will easily excel in writing, music, painting, other fine artsy expressions
    •the INFJ can be very stubborn when their mind is made up
    •the INFJ may hang back from group activities of all kinds unless they know a few of the participants well…don’t push your INFJ into new group things too quickly
    •the INFJ will need to spend a lot of time alone…you guessed it….in their heads
    •the INFJ will show a marked tendency toward perfectionism
    •as they become adolescent their will exhibit more future concerns, future thinking
    •the INFJ penchant for future and perfectionist thinking can trouble them greatly as they consider operating in the outside world
    At my son's daycare there are several little cute ones, including a little ESFP who today insisted on trying to kiss my little INTJ. "I DO NOT LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE KISS ME!!!!". The ESFP is so incredibely gooey and is the most flirty two year old I have ever seen-she is positively enchantingly cute and even batts her eyes at you. It is adorable.

    But there is also this very cute little baby boy who I think may be an INFJ. He looks at you from a distance and is very quiet and reserved but smiles coyly once he gets to know you but doesnt want to be touched or even watched directly-yet he watches you intently observing everything you do. He is a doll.

    (welcome to the forum btw!)

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    I do hope Elfboy's friend didn't go through the rest of the Macdonald triad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Am I the only one who got a little disturbed by the fact he drew out plans for his classmates' demise? Trust me, I think of punching people on a regular basis but I never went THAT far.
    No I actually think that's adorable. Of course, I think INTJs are creepy cute.

    I didn't get disturbed until Elfboy mentioned that his friend got pleasure from harming or killing multiple animals, and that he reminded him of "Patrick Bateman." That is not okay.

    I'm also with Viridian on the MacDonald triad. I just did a shitload of research on sociopaths and serial killers: animal torture, bed wetting, fire starting.

    Also bad (if combined):

    - abusive homelife

    - biological disposition which does not allow them to be able to bond with other humans, a lack of understanding of human relationships

    - extremely intelligent and imaginative

    - triggered by rejection/humiliation

    - drug/alcohol/sadistic pornography catalysts

    I doubt Elfboy's friend is a serial killer, but he sounds like he possibly could be a sociopath.

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    Well, to avoid fanning the flames too much, Elfboy, I'll just say I trust your judgment on this matter. I just don't want you to get hurt by manipulative people or something like that...

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    When I was about 8, I realized that I wasn't too into this whole "human race" thing. My dad was teaching geography at the time so I did some research and selected the NW territory of Canada as the place where I was going to make a log cabin and live by myself.

    My current plan is to write a crappy series of books that inexplicably speaks to a wide portion of the populace, and use those funds to buy my own island in the Pacific.

    Also I am pretty sure I was an INFP from the get-go. I was an only child in a house of NPs, and I spent most of my time creating worlds in my head, gazing at clouds for hours at a time, and talking to bugs.

    There was one funny family story from when I was about 4. We had just moved to Minnesota and my parents were designing and creating a white picket fence to go around our enormous yard. My dad was hammering them in place and my mom was painting them. My job was to stay out of the way and I did just that by talking to ladybugs. Well, one of my little ladybug friends got into some paint. I started crying and ran into the house with her, with the best of intentions towards washing my friend off. Well, I ended up washing her down the drain.... I was sobbing for hours.... and hours.... and my dad suddenly came to get me and said come here quick!! Brings me into the kitchen and lo! there is "my" ladybug! I was overjoyed until I remembered my dad's recent lecture about how drains connect in the house (INTP dad), and that this couldn't possibly be the same ladybug. So my mom interjected with how it was a magic ladybug because I had loved her so much. And that won me over... I carefully carried my ladybug out into the yard and set her free.

    The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Well, to avoid fanning the flames too much, Elfboy, I'll just say I trust your judgment on this matter. I just don't want you to get hurt by manipulative people or something like that...
    Well sometimes they don't hurt the people they love. The portrayal of Hannibal Lecter leaving Clarice Starling alone because he felt affection for her is based in reality. Ted Bundy had several girlfriends and a wife. He didn't harm any of them.

    Sociopaths - even those as far gone as to participate in serial killing - apparently are capable of respecting the lives of certain individuals.

    In fact, I wonder why, and what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    Let me sort of rephrase what I was trying to say. I think we're born with the... er... instinct? (needs a better word) to act in certain ways. Personality can certainly be affected by life events, but it looks like nature prevails here. The reason why you may be different as you grow older seem to be the product of a few major things... 1. learning new skills 2. maturity level and 3. development of a mental disorder.
    Perhaps "temperament" is the word you're looking for?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Well sometimes they don't hurt the people they love. The portrayal of Hannibal Lecter leaving Clarice Starling alone because he felt affection for her is based in reality. Ted Bundy had several girlfriends and a wife. He didn't harm any of them.

    Sociopaths - even those as far gone as to participate in serial killing - apparently are capable of respecting the lives of certain individuals.

    In fact, I wonder why, and what that means.
    How does that work? Isn't sociopathy defined as an inability to feel empathy, like, at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Perhaps "temperament" is the word you're looking for?
    Ahhh yes! That's it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    Ahhh yes! That's it!
    Glad I could help! That term came up when I talked with my mother a few months ago; she said me and my brother (xSTJ, I think) had different temperaments even when we were babies. (Curiously, she also says I was more extroverted than my brother, in a non-MBTI use of the word... ) By the way, I'm not necessarily talking about Keirsey's temperaments, just the colloquial use of the word. She's a therapist, so I guess she knows that stuff.

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