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    At age 5, I remember trying to manipulate the mood of the room and sending out bad vibes to make the people around me uncomfortable so they would leave me alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    At age 5, I remember trying to manipulate the mood of the room and sending out bad vibes to make the people around me uncomfortable so they would leave me alone.
    I still do that. I still feel my vibes affect the room.

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    No fair! When I try to do it, people want to bug me EVEN MORE. What gives? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    No fair! When I try to do it, people want to bug me EVEN MORE. What gives? lol
    You want to direct your vibes in, not out. Though some are curious what's on your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    Okay, I'm about to throw out a lot of bunk here. Read it and take it how you wish. This is just a random thought I felt like posting. Enjoy.

    I don't believe that personality develops over time. Infants are seen as having distinct personalities. However, I do believe that environment can influence personality greatly... but not to begin with. Early on, we experience our "true" personality, which remains fairly constant and typically becomes stronger over time.

    Now, I've heard that it takes time for children to understand the big picture. When we are very young, we see the world as it is and take things as they come... from a sensor's perspective. Our ability to make connections and extrapolate comes from our knowledge and experience. It can only increase with time. Unless you're some sort of crazy child-prodigy, of course.

    So if we start showing our personalities in infancy, how do intuitive types, especially Ne- and Ni-dominants exist?
    you dont believe that personality develops over time? . its pretty much as accepted fact in psychology than mars is in astronomy..

    yes even small children show signs of personality even at very young age, but most of those sides of personality isnt related to MBTI. extraversion is one thing that can be noticed at quite young age tho, but not like from a new born(none of the personality traits can be shows that young). about nature vs nurture i suggest watching this http://www.vega.org.uk/video/programme/11 . we dont experience our "true" personality as young children, we are very different people as age of 10 and 30, only some basic parts(first functions in MBTI terms) of our personality remain, but we develop quite alot and if you look at whole person, we are were different when we are children and adults. so it doesent come stronger or remain constant, some parts remain reasonably constant, come stronger, but new stuff also grows in us.

    children cant understand big picture as well as adults can because their brains arent developed enough yet, but that doesent mean that they cant be more focused on big picture more than details. even with adults Se vs Ne users, the Se user might be more able to see the big picture than the Ne user, but Ne user just focuses automatically on it more, and automatic focus doesent equal being good at it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    At age 5, I remember trying to manipulate the mood of the room and sending out bad vibes to make the people around me uncomfortable so they would leave me alone.
    You can send out vibes. That's real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    You can send out vibes. That's real.
    I am skeptical, but listen to this when you have the time.

    http://vimeo.com/4359545

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    So if we start showing our personalities in infancy, how do intuitive types, especially Ne- and Ni-dominants exist?
    I wonder about this too. I don't know to what extent an infant can have 'cogntive processes,' but I have heard that I/E can begin to be seen in babies (perhaps in relative activity level, expressiveness, etc.) I'm not sure how a baby would intuit much of anything, but I do think a child of about age 2-4 could show signs of N.

    For example: my parents have stated that I was first and foremost, an explorer and an escape artist. I could not just stay in one place, and if there was an obstacle in my way, I was persistent in getting around it. I was walking at 9 months old and always climbing over my crib, baby gates, up on shelves... and many pictures reveal me as a very smiley baby. At age three I was probably much the same, wanting to do anything outside, with other kids. Like, I wanted to ride tricycles with my sister this one time, and at first I simply wanted to do it because I could see they were having fun and I was not... but once I was told that I couldn't because I was so little, I wanted to do it more for the concept of it, for not being limited. By age 4, I think there was a clear focus on simply not having things as the way they are, seeing things in terms of their potential rather than what they are, and avoiding boredom as much as possible. I figured out ways to open all the doors I could not reach. I drew on the walls and thought I was doing so as a service because the walls were so boring before. These things, from an adult standpoint, might not seem rather N... but for a child it could be seen as a moving away from the object to the concept of it. Also one strangely abstract thing that I did at that age is that I could see three glowing letters from a window in my house "OTE." I was scared of them at first because they made me think somehow that something is haunted, but then I rearranged the letters backwards, and decided that this was the name of an imaginary ghost girl who was represented by the number 8 and wanted to be a friend rather than scare me. I was also a major questioner shortly after that, like many other kids were, but I think I was rather persistent about it, and I would ask the question of "why" the sky is blue in both the sense of how it projects blue light and actually why it does so. I confused both adults and myself with that one.

    So yeah.... anyway, children can probably intuit things at quite a young age, and very basic personality trends can be present even in babies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    Ahhh... overly imaginative children! I see!


    It's just that... I could have sworn there were some studies done on childhood cognition and perception that showed that children can't see things like the big picture and other intuitive traits until a certain age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    Ahhh... overly imaginative children! I see!


    It's just that... I could have sworn there were some studies done on childhood cognition and perception that showed that children can't see things like the big picture and other intuitive traits until a certain age.

    i do disagree that personality changes over time, but i would agree that this is true - after all, neurologically, we have to form more connections quite literally to be able to make more mental connections. but i don't think that necessarily means our pattern of thought is impossible - we'd just have less connections to work with. when i was little it was so clear how everything was interrelated. i mean, it still is, but the field is bigger, more complex. more fun to navigate, yes, and more tangible, but also wider. i was a very exploratory but also spiritually serious kid. i've only developed my layer of grounded practicality more recently. it used to manifest as a more theoretical curiosity.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude
    The highlight is when I broke into my elementary school once and peed on a teacher's desk, because I didn't like how he bounced girls on his lap. If there was a big picture there, it's just that I saw that authority didn't matter, and that he was of bad character. I had the moral high ground.



    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie
    You can send out vibes. That's real.
    absolutely.

    i tend to assume that "vibe" is a mental message carried out through extremely subtle physical changes (movement, smell, etc) - not really "magical" - but it's extraordinarily clear that, whatever it is, it's real. just get around horses sometime and vibe something. you'll see. if you really want them to come near, even if your overt body language is saying no, they'll often come check you out. or vice versa - if you're scared, even though you're trying to put on a confident facade, they'll respond to that, too.

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