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Rappers and S/N.

Illmatic

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I'm a big fan of hip hop music.

When it comes to rap all the
N: are the more philosophical and the ones which put hidden meaning in their rhymes.

S: are the ones which are more direct, what you hear is what they're saying..

Would you agrreee?
 

Libertine

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I would say that lyricists with a preference for intuition are more likely to paint a metaphorical picture and use a lot of analogies, and those with a preference for sensing would make more use of concrete language.

N rappers: Nas, Tupac Shakur.
S rappers: Notorious B.I.G., Eazy-E, Ice Cube.
 

IZthe411

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No, I don't.

You can't perceive a function by their lyrical content only. You have to do some homework, study their interviews, especially those that are more candid and on the spot.
And you have to remember that people have access to all functions, so a rapper could be tapping into something they don't use on a day to day basis when they are crafting their art.
And then some rappers have ghostwriters, so they are just BITRs.

Lupe's is a great conceptual story teller, but if you listen to him speak, I'd give him an S- ISTJ
Jay-Z is very ISTJ, but people mistake his years of experience and exposure with Ni.
Kanye's ENxJ- most likely T, but the verdict's out IMO.
 

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Yeah, I agree that you can't observe their type solely by reading lyrics, but I think it might give some clue to their function preference, at least if they are consistent with their style and approach to writing.
 

IZthe411

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Yeah, I agree that you can't observe their type solely by reading lyrics, but I think it might give some clue to their function preference, at least if they are consistent with their style and approach to writing.

I would agree in extremes.

But then you would have to know what they wrote based off their own inspiration, and what they wrote to please the massas, I mean record labels. No guarantee the final product hasn't been tweaked to get the most airplay.

Case-in-point- Lupe's album. Lyrically falls short to his other 2 albums due to the record label pressure. By some of those songs you'd think he was slow.
 

Libertine

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I would agree in extremes.

But then you would have to know what they wrote based off their own inspiration, and what they wrote to please the massas, I mean record labels. No guarantee the final product hasn't been tweaked to get the most airplay.

Case-in-point- Lupe's album. Lyrically falls short to his other 2 albums due to the record label pressure. By some of those songs you'd think he was slow.
I guess you're right. But if we assumed that it is lyrics not written for any other reason than selfexpression?
 

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somewhat, but i think mainstream hiphop culture is pretty S and songs are written to appeal to that so they aren't always going to reflect the writer's personality.

soulja boy could secretly be an intj. you never know.
 

IZthe411

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I guess you're right. But if we assumed that it is lyrics not written for any other reason than selfexpression?

Then yeah, it would shed some color on function preference, as you mentioned. But it can't be the sole, overreaching factor.
 

IZthe411

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somewhat, but i think mainstream hiphop culture is pretty S and songs are written to appeal to that so they aren't always going to reflect the writer's personality.

soulja boy could secretly be an intj. you never know.

I agree with you. Some people have the perception to write hits - because they understand how to get the right reaction out of people. That's another shade of both Sensing and Intuition.
 

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S Rappers: Nelly (ESFP), Ice Cube (ESFP),
N Rappers: 50 Cent (ENTJ), Lloyd Banks (INTJ), Gipp (ENFP), Nicki Minaj (ENTP), Chamillionaire (?NFP), Lil Wayne (?NTP), Drake (INFP)
dunno: Ludacris (E??P), Chalie Boy (E??P), Eminem
 

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I checked one interview to make sure, and Lil Wayne doesn't have primary or auxiliary Ne. He seems ESTP to me.
Eminem appears to be ISTP.
 

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I checked one interview to make sure, and Lil Wayne doesn't have primary or auxiliary Ne. He seems ESTP to me.
Eminem appears to be ISTP.

whatever his type is, Lil Wayne's rhymes are pure Ne
 

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whatever his type is, Lil Wayne's rhymes are pure Ne

agree for once! like i said earlier, you can't type solely based on lyrics, but his are full of word play, puns, random associations pulled from the air. he's rarely telling a concrete story, and even if he starts he connects it to something else.

plus in interviews he's definitely playing a role. which makes him hard to type.
 

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What do you guys think about MF DOOM, Common, Talib Kweli, Black Thought, Wordsworth...

Those guys are more my speed. I don't know much about Lil Wayne or those guys to be able to related. I think I hear a lot of Ne with MF DOOM with his rhymes anyway but I don't know what I'm talking about most of the time.
 

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S Rappers: Ice Cube - ESTP
N Rappers: 50 Cent - ISTJ Lil Wayne - ESTP
dunno: Eminem - ISTP

Correction :D, How is Lil Wayne a NTP, to me he seems to be pretty motivated by Se, I don't think it's what people do that determines their cognitive functions(which I think is erroneous), instead I focus on why they do it in the first place to better determine their type, cognitive functions, whatever, the act of generating hidden connections between things does not automatically mean one is a prominent Ne(or Ni) user.
 

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Correction :D, How is Lil Wayne a NTP, to me he seems to be pretty motivated by Se, I don't think it's what people do that determines their cognitive functions(which I think is erroneous), instead I focus on why they do it in the first place to better determine their type, cognitive functions, whatever, the act of generating hidden connections between things does not automatically mean one is a prominent Ne(or Ni) user.

actually, that has more to do with enneagram. Lil Wayne is an obvious 7w8, so his motivations are going to look pretty SP-ish. enneagram is WHY we do what we do, MBTI is HOW we do what we do :yes:
 

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agree for once! like i said earlier, you can't type solely based on lyrics, but his are full of word play, puns, random associations pulled from the air. he's rarely telling a concrete story, and even if he starts he connects it to something else.

plus in interviews he's definitely playing a role. which makes him hard to type.

Is word play Ne? Why couldn't an S function accomplish word play or puns?
 

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actually, that has more to do with enneagram. Lil Wayne is an obvious 7w8, so his motivations are going to look pretty SP-ish. enneagram is WHY we do what we do, MBTI is HOW we do what we do :yes:

MBTI, yes, but not Jung's cognitive functions. Each cognitive function should not be related only to a specific set of behaviours, because that often leads to silly, inaccurate stereotypes(like all SJs are conformist, unquestioning rule following drones).
 
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