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    So, I've kinda been wrestling with the notion that I may want to look into developing my Fe a bit more. I take a special pride in my Fi, but I'd really rather it not come at the cost of hurting/isolating others, or being too self-involved to reach out and help others.

    As I understand it:
    Fi is an internalization process of values, i.e. looking within yourself to slowly create a system of beliefs.
    Fe is an externalization process of values, i.e. looking towards other people's feelings to build a belief structure.

    Would Fe come from just thinking about how my actions affect those around me, and putting them first, or is there something more to it?
    How would Fe work if there were some rift in a group's dynamic?
    Am I completely off-base with regard to the difference between Fi and Fe?

    Any other tips or suggestions will be appreciated.

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    i dont think you can really use like real Fe, because you use Fi instead, but you can use your Ne with your Fi to reach out your F to outside world and just try to behave like Fe user would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i dont think you can really use like real Fe
    Not as often as Fi, anyway. Anyone can use any of the functions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Not as often as Fi, anyway. Anyone can use any of the functions.
    more i learn about the system more it seems that its other functions together looking like some different function. like Ne + Fi with a hint of Te maybe(and maybe working with Si learned behavior) looking like Fe, not real Fe. it would be extraverting F, but it would be Fi thats focused on outside world, not extraverted feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    i dont think you can really use like real Fe, because you use Fi instead, but you can use your Ne with your Fi to reach out your F to outside world and just try to behave like Fe user would.
    I had similar thought about that, but I skipped the Ne. Using Fe through Fi. Like, its imperative to me (Fi) to behave in regard to other's feelings (Fe). I'm just kinda curious if Fe users can resonate with what I said in the OP, or if there was something else that I'm missing

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRT View Post
    Like, its imperative to me (Fi) to behave in regard to other's feelings (Fe).
    but you see whether you act accordingly to others feelings is judged first with Fi to see if it suits you and goes to your values etc. so its just back to acting according to your values instead of going by values defined by other people. -> some people prefer Fe on this sort of situation and some cant help to judge with Fi because Fi judgment is so strong. thats my opinion about this whole shadow function crap

    i thought i was using Fi like really heavily on one issue for a long long time, but when i introspected on it more and more it came pretty clear that it was Fe + Ti all along, not Fi. even some function tests during that part of my life gave me really high Fi score(im sure they still would).. but its just my Ti handling the inferior Fe.
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    Fi and Fe are world views. Fe will shift values with the group to focus in on harmony with other people, or else strongly impose social rules that they associate with their primary in-group (which means that all Fe users don't just become moral flakes depending on their surroundings, Fe can keep its own values, it will just hearken back to the primary in-group....and these values can also be tweaked with Ti for logical examination).

    SO...you're not going to have Fe. I seemed to have more Fe as a child, but I think it was because I followed my grandparents values in order to 1) self-preserve and 2) be loved. Those aren't Fe motivations, I know, because as soon as I turned twelve or thirteen, I vehemently disagreed with some of their values, really started examining what I found wrong with them, and started creating my own.

    I have learned something that looks like Fe because of life experience...I have a bunch of tertiary Te for an ENFP (which means I press the Te button a lot, but it still looks sloppier than it would with a TJ) meaning that by my late teens/early twenties I had become really abrupt and directive when a task needed to be handled. I then learned that doing so pushed people away, and eventually that bothered my Fi. Again, unlike a TJ, I wasn't comfortable living in that state knowing I could push people away, so I adjusted my Te "presentation" to suit my Fi...by still being directive and task-based, but learning to soften it with polite words or a softer tone of voice. It's still SO Fi/Te, though, because I'm only doing it because it "works" better for me.

    Fi can care about other people. I think FPs often do...it just depends on the content of your individual Fi. Someone with Fi can look like they have Fe, but if you talk to them, you'll realize that their underlying motives for the same behavior is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    but you see whether you act accordingly to others feelings is judged first with Fi to see if it suits you and goes to your values etc. so its just back to acting according to your values instead of going by values defined by other people. -> some people prefer Fe on this sort of situation and some cant help to judge with Fi because Fi judgment is so strong. thats my opinion about this whole shadow function crap

    i thought i was using Fi like really heavily on one issue for a long long time, but when i introspected on it more and more it came pretty clear that it was Fe + Ti all along, not Fi. even some function tests during that part of my life gave me really high Fi score(im sure they still would).. but its just my Ti handling the inferior Fe.
    I wasn't disagreeing with you, and besides I'm not sure my understanding of the functions is that good, anyway. Its the behavior that I care about right now. I want to act in an Fe manner, because I think thats something I really apprectiate in other people. I just figured asking how to develop Fe would allow me to see how to act in that type of manner. Whether or not the root behavior is fueled by Fi or not, doesn't matter to me.

    So your advice on how to do that is to use Fi + Ne together?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRT View Post
    I wasn't disagreeing with you, and besides I'm not sure my understanding of the functions is that good, anyway. Its the behavior that I care about right now. I want to act in an Fe manner, because I think thats something I really apprectiate in other people. I just figured asking how to develop Fe would allow me to see how to act in that type of manner. Whether or not the root behavior is fueled by Fi or not, doesn't matter to me.

    So your advice on how to do that is to use Fi + Ne together?
    I don't think Fi can ever learn to truly live for anyone else, unless we sincerely love those people in a fierce way. I think that's why we are perceived by some people as selfish, because if something goes against our individual values, we will either fight it or just totally walk away and disappear. I honestly only care about having Fe-like behavior for reasons of function and self-preservation. I worked in customer service - I was told that I could be very harsh or rude, because I would just speak my mind or be overtly task-focused. So I learned to "behave myself" because in the long run, it actually made interactions with people simpler and kept me from getting "into trouble."

    I'm inspired by genuine impulses to give or to help people. That isn't the same as having Fe. Fe doesn't mean "I care about others" and Fi doesn't mean "I only care about me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRT View Post
    I wasn't disagreeing with you, and besides I'm not sure my understanding of the functions is that good, anyway. Its the behavior that I care about right now. I want to act in an Fe manner, because I think thats something I really apprectiate in other people. I just figured asking how to develop Fe would allow me to see how to act in that type of manner. Whether or not the root behavior is fueled by Fi or not, doesn't matter to me.

    So your advice on how to do that is to use Fi + Ne together?
    i didnt think you were disagreeing with me

    i dunno whats best thing for you to do. why do you want to act like Fe anyways? whats wrong with acting by your Fi, but still doing whats good for other people?
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